Steelers Sign Michael Vick

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to message forums. TTF can tell you what you can and can't write on here with no repercussions.

Anyway, I'm pretty shocked by people downplaying what Vick did. I won't get into the actual signing too much because there's no point, but Vick murdered numerous dogs and he did so in the worst manner possible. He tortured those poor dogs before killing them. So what you will about dogs or animals in general, but those dogs feel all the same things that you do. They can feel sadness, pain, fear, etc. How any human being could do what Vick did is beyond me. It's beyond disgusting and so are those people who defend him or downplay his actions. He tortured those animals, not just killed them. I have no problem with Vick in the league, I just don't want him on my team. He has no place on the Steelers. We have had many players over the years with character issues, but nothing like this. This is a new low for this franchise, and all for an injury prone backup QB. Just pathetic.

 

To me he is going to be their best bet to reach the young black kids. When they see a prominent black athlete say yes I used to do it and it was really wrong that is going to stick with them more then say Sarah McLachlan.

 

Vick grew up in dog fighting, to him it was just a sport, he was in his early 20s and paid a steep price for his naieve actions, and after 8 years and maturity and numerous apologies I dont think he should pay a lifetime penalty, nuff said about vicks debt to society: Extremist animal cruelty organizations like PETA thinks your a murderer if you kill a chicken, thousands of unwanted pets get euthanized every day here in this country; even though it's illegal to butcher horses in the US, ranchers ship hundreds if not thousands of horses each year to Mexico to be butchered, horse meat is a delicacy in Europe and that consumer demand means horses will be butchered; cruelty in all forms to animals will never be eliminated no matter how many protests are staged.....

 

Shaner82

Just so my post is not misinterpreted, I agree with every word above.

 

You speak alot of truth yet conveniently and purposely dismiss torture, killing is bad, torture is inexcusable.

Cajun

 

Probably the only thing you've said I can have any respect for. Just know, this isn't a black & white issue because Vick is black. Many white kids were Huge Vick fans and white folks fight dogs too.

Cajun

 

Oh no I wasn't trying to imply that at all.

 

And yet it continues, you dont think dog fighting has been eliminated do you? Cock fighting is big here in Arizona, that has it's roots in the mexican population, and the cruelest of animal torture is bull fighting, numerous stab wounds bleed the animal out until he is weak and the final crucifixion is delivered with a long thrust of the sword, but Spain and Mexico wouldn't think of eliminating bull fights, as disgusting as it seems, the World will never be a perfect place for animals to reside, it never was and it never will be......

 

Diamond, again you speak truth but this is a Steelers message board and the Steelers fans here are upset and are a bit divided on Vick being a Steelers now because of how cruel and inhumane he has been. Bull fighting, cock fighting is not the reason we fans are upset. They too are bad, maybe better discussed in a different forum. Again not understanding why fans take what he did to heart more so than what other players have done is puzzling to me and why you and others dismiss his actions by saying he killed dogs instead of the torture he enjoyed is also puzzling, if not alarming.

Cajun

 

I'm not dismissing his actions at all, just saying he paid his debt to society and has been made to pay a big price ever since he did his 2 years in a fed prison, what more do people want from him? Animal activists just don't know when enough is enough...

 

Agree, I support his right to work, just don't like it being here.

Cajun

 

If a child molester pays his debt to society, are you going to let him watch your kids? Completely irrelevant I know, but so is your comment. This has nothing to do with Vick paying his debt to society, which is nothing more than a BS legal term, this is about Steelers fans not wanting this guy on our team. Nobody is saying he should go back to jail or booted from the NFL, we just don't want him on our team. He can serve 100 life sentences for all I care, I still don't want him on the Steelers. Just because a guy pays his debt to society doesn't mean that individual people have to forgive him and want him a part of their lives.

 

And Vick wasn't brought here to watch the Steelers dogs either. He is a football player on a team we cheer for. Your last line makes it sound like we want to invite him over for dinner. If him standing on the sidelines holding a clipboard effects your life that much then don't watch the games and you will have removed him from your life.

 

I agree and hope you are right about this being short term. As long as MT doesn't take this rehabilitation stuff too far. The stench may linger too... this decision by the FO and owners has to rank at the top of the list as one of the stinkiest!

 

I'm against this move but all we can do is watch. It is what it is.

 

Okay then. Fair enough. If a child molester pays his debt to society, are you going to want him on your football team? Keep in mind this is no 19 year old with a 16 year old girlfriend, it's a man scheming and preying on children for as long as he can until he's caught, and doesn't say or do a single right thing until there's something in it for him. Me, I say no thanks.

 

Last comment on this subject from me... I'm not trying to start an argument about anything that anyone has said but I have seen it posted here a few times that Vic grew up in that environment and may not have know any better. That may be a good argument, however, the problem I have with it is that dog fighting is done in secret and privately. Generally, people don't do "legal" things in private and in secrecy (yes there are exceptions! I'm not going to have relations with my wife out on the front lawn but that is only because they would try to push me back in the water). I'm sure in at least one of the dog fights that Vic was exposed to as a child someone had to have pointed out that it was illegal and that is why you have to attend them where and how you do. Done!

 

Like I said earlier even I struggle with child molesters so I honestly can't answer that until put in the situation and see how I would react. Sitting here now I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it. To me a child molester is the lowest of the low. I rate them down there with Hitler. Like I said maybe people see torturing and fighting dogs as that bad I just don't and it all goes back my humans are more valuable then animals.

 

Seriously still going!?

Accept we are all different. We all ****ed up in a way. Severity of the **** up is relative. He ****ed up, you **** up, I ****ed up. No one here is without fault in some perspective. We have all hurt something or someone. I can make the argument on pain in any form.

Let it go. Wish the best. Don't condone the former action, have understanding/comprehension/love/faith ... whatever other hippyish phrase that could be said.

Sorry for all the (****s). I apparently do not currently give any.

 

What do you think of all those people that didn't think what Ray Rice had done to his fiance was so bad when they'd heard about it, but freaked out when they saw it on tape? And by "those people" I mean many fans, but also the NFL itself, who thought 2 games was perfectly fair before the video became public.

What had changed? We already knew he knocked her out. Why did seeing it make such a difference?

 

It makes it real. People can't distiguish the difference between the two. We invented something that, ahem (or is it amen), is not seeing yet believing.

I'm speaking on the yeti by the way. That guy is illusive!!! Let's put him on kickoff and punt return team.

 

I personally thought it was atrocious from the time I read about it all the video did for me was reinforce that. I don't know some people are the see it to believe it type. The only time it is acceptable to put your hands on a woman is when there is a threat of death or real bodily harm and in my eyes there is still a limit to the force you use. Now if she has a gun things change drastically. All that said though if Bell or DWill went down I would be fine if the Steelers signed him.

 

Of course it's still going. It's just going round in variably-sized circles, and (I think) with a bit less vitriol as the initial shock subsides.

For example, the 'we all make **** ups' was first put forward and argued against on the first page, as I recall.

 

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