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Steelers Sign Michael Vick

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by TerribleTowelFlying, Aug 25, 2015.

  1. SteelersWorld

    SteelersWorld Well-Known Member

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    Did any of those names mentioned get tried, convicted, and serve time in prison for their offenses? If they had, then hell yes, I would cut them all.

    If Vick goes on the field, I will turn off the TV.
     
  2. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    It's not though I'm sorry and many may disagree but but to me hitting a woman, a DUI, and a drunken rampage are all worse then killing dogs. So why didn't people go nuts like this when the Steelers kept players that did all of those things.
     
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  3. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    So if Vick got off on a technicality or the charges somehow got dropped you would be fine with him then? Harrison admitted to smacking his girlfriend. Wards DUI was dropped to improper use of a motor vehicle and I believe Ta'Amu did in fact get arrested and charged in the drunken rampage he went on. Also Porter was arrested in Vegas for fighting a Bengal player in a Casino.
     
  4. pjgruden

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    I think the reason so many people are upset is because of the length of time these crimes were perpetrated, and Vick wasn't (we assume) under the influence of a substance while having the dogfighting ring.
    Hitting a woman is not okay, ever. But, hitting one once and not doing it again is different than torturing and killing animals for 7 years. Getting a DUI is beyond stupid too. And if the player were to injure someone, throw them in prison and make them do their time. And going on a rampage, again no where is that cool. But at least they have the alcohol/drugs to use as a reasoning for their behavior. Unless they're a player like Aldon Smith who just seems completely unglued.
     
  5. KnoxVegasSteel

    KnoxVegasSteel Well-Known Member

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    Also Smith! Sign him immediately!
     
  6. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    Good lord the internet would break.
     
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  7. KnoxVegasSteel

    KnoxVegasSteel Well-Known Member

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    Sign every criminal in the league. We'll be known as Ravens West squad.
     
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  8. TheSteelHurtin2188

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    We should talk Donte Stallworth and Ray Lewis out of retirement. And don't forget about the guy the Browns got out of prison to hurt Bradshaw also.
     
  9. Steel_in_DC

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    This is where I stand as well. I think what SteelHurtin is missing is the intent and thought process behind the action.

    I do not think a person who murders/kills a dog should be tried the same way as someone who kills a person, but I absolutely think that what Vick did is worse from a barbaric point of view vs. what Donte Stallworth did or what Ray Rice did. Someone could say “ah you value a dog’s life over a human’s life” – actually no, what I am saying is it is about context. Someone can get drunk and make the tragic mistake of getting behind a wheel and killing someone without taking into context that “hey my actions could take someone’s life tonight.” Same with Ray Rice – from everything we have heard the guy was not someone who had violent tendencies, his fiancée defended him over and over, and it doesn’t appear he planned on cold cocking her – it was a mistake, a brutal one, inexcusable, but not done with intent or with planning. What Michael Vick did was done with intent for long periods of time, done over and over, and was unbelievably cruel.

    From a criminal aspect I would not try to pass laws that equate a dog’s life with a person’s life – but from the eye test, I can absolutely see why many people are actually more disgusted with what Vick did vs. what Stallworth or Rice did.
     
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  10. cajunyankee

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    Since most Normal people equate dogs as being members of our family and dearly loved "killing dogs" is cheapening what happened to a great degree. Also he didn't just kill them sir. Describe to me the heart of a man who can with his bare hands drown a dog who doesn't fight and kill well enough for his blood thirsty taste. Or how Picking up a "dog" and Slamming them onto a concrete slab repeatedly until the "dog" is dead or hanging the "dog" watching it squirm and strain to get away and breathe until dead for entertainment!!!

    Your cheapening of what he did is disdainful sir. Yes, hitting a woman is very bad and so is a DUI but what Vick did demonstrates a Heart full of disgusting vile view of what most normal people hold dear.

    He was punished, for what he did, He's now a steeler and many of us aren't happy with that. He was given the job by a close friend who is a hometown friend with any competition so was it really the "Best" business decision for a our Beloved Steelers. After all, Vick is 37, way past his prime and his last time on the NFL stage he Sucked big time!!!!!!!1

    Go Steelers and may Ben take every snap this year.

    Cajun
     
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  11. Steel_in_DC

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    Also - getting off the dog kick, I really do not think the signing is good anyway from a football point of view either. The Vick who came back in 2009-2010 is vastly different than the one who played last year. And as others have said why would you want to sign a guy who will draw more attention than 75% of the other Steelers while holding a clipboard.
     
  12. steelerdavidismyname

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    But apparently not against people who beat their women ?..or people who get constant DUI's...which have led to the deaths of more people every YEAR then ALL the Jews who died during the Holocaust. I guess those people are OK huh ? What's worse then a " Hypocrite " ?....a " IDIOT "

    I feel sorry for you.
     
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  13. TheSteelHurtin2188

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    He didn't do any of what you just said the only dogs he killed were the two that were hung and he admitted his buddy held the rope and he dropped the dog. Does it make any difference no not really and the original conviction was based on the funding and housing of it. He passed the polygraph when they asked him if he knew the day to day operations of the house and failed when the first asked him if he killed any dogs and he said no only later to admit to killing two of them.
     
  14. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    Man you almost had a like or agree until the idiot comment no need for that.
     
  15. SteelerGlenn

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    Nope. There's no real comparison between those two crimes.
    The point was some were debating mistake vs continuing to do something you know is wrong. Of course the crime detimines the punishment, but from a moral standpoint is it still ok to do something against the law continually even when you know it's wrong? Just gauging where we're drawing the line on what's considered a mistake?

    I hate Vick and I'm not at all happy about the Steelers signing him.
     
  16. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Ahh, that's not so.
     
  17. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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  18. cajunyankee

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    Yes he did sir. In fact he did more than what was stated. I don't give a &^% what some lie detector says..... I KNOW, Can't say publicly but I Know, knew 18 months before he was busted, and even seen his house with my own eyes a few months before it all went down. Yes he was convicted of racketeering gambling and dog fighting but his true crime is his vile disgusting heart and view of man's best friend.

    Your continued unwarranted and defense of him is troubling. I get the hipocracy point but even that is a reach at most.

    Cajun
     
  19. bigbenhotness

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    sorry but I think killing dogs is more serious than spousal abuse and DUI. Yes, the other two are bad in their own right but killing helpless animals for the sake of entertainment is disgusting. Dogs show compassion that us humans can't even compare to. Watch that video of that dog trying to save that fish, it's pretty sad. Human race is idiotic destroying itself. You can't really discredit an animals life. BTW Ben got accused, there is no evidence he actually did those things.
     
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  20. TerribleTowelFlying

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  21. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    Most of that just says Vick sponsored the fight from what I read now I am on my phone so I did kinda quickly read through but I only seen one instance where it said Vick killed a dog and that was he 2 he admitted to. Sponsoring and being there hands on are different. What are find amazing is how far people come from to fight dogs. All the way from fricking Texas to Virginia.
     
  22. TheSteelHurtin2188

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    Yes domesticed dogs. Have you ever ran across a pack of dogs that have forgotten what it means to be domesticated? They are violent plain and simple. They run in packs and will destroy anything that gets in their way. Yes when they are domesticated they are everything you say they are and then some but they are still nothing more then an animal. There is a reason that they turn on their owners its because in every dog is a wild animal. Look at Detroit right now and the wild dog problem they are having. Are those dogs man's best friend? If you release a dog into nature its not going to take it long to go back to the rowdy pack animal they are. I have two dogs and the older one can't go out by itself now because it is getting to the point that I don't know what it's going to do and this dog is an extremely smart and sweet Aussie.
     
  23. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    From that link:

    "...VICK executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in "testing" sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road by various methods, including hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground..."

    I'm sure others can likely provide more detailed accounts of what he did, but yeah...he did some bad stuff.
     
  24. TheSteelHurtin2188

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    Yeah that's what I was talking about he admitted to do the hanging while the other guys admitted to the other stuff. Like I said though none of it makes it any better but he wasn't this raving lunatic running around killing dogs and torturing them everyone keeps saying he is. Now could you say he may not have been the one doing but he funded and was the head of it so it all still falls on his shoulders yeah I could see that
     
  25. SteelersWorld

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    with regards to Vick and only Vick, I am not going to play the "what if?" game... based on what he did, and what he was charged and convicted for, I don't want him on the Steelers roster....maybe you do, but sure I don't. There's nothing left to be said about it. The rest of those examples have no relevance here.
     

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