Steelers Sign Michael Vick

Again, you're mixing up your argument.

If you're tired of people saying that, fine - but I haven't actually seen anyone say that on this thread. I may have missed it though. There have been a fair few posts, so apologies if I've missed them.

But then you start talking about "this happens, so it must be ok." I don't think anyone is denying the fact that this **** happens. But why does the fact it happens make it ok? Like I said, there's laws about food prep, there's laws about dog fighting. They're different laws, because they're different things; but if you contravene either of them, you've broken the law, whether you're caught or not. It's not like a murderer can stand up in court and say: "yeah, well, there have been unsolved murders, which means someone has got away with it, therefore you shouldn't punish me."

Either way, I don't see how that affects the discussion here. Like I said before, most of this discussion is simply repeating the endless arguments back when it all came out about Vick, and aren't really the issue at hand.

 

Then why keep it up once he was back in the league? Once he got back in he could have been completely done with the PR stuff but didn't? Why would he be fighting his own debt while still dontating large sums of money to shelters? I get it some people aren't into to second chances and will forever judge someone on one event. I'm not like that and never will be. And yes it was a stupid mistake that he got caught up in and it got out of control it happens sorry you may not like it but it does.

 

Here we've had a woman call 911 repeatedly because she couldn't get a date.

 

I thought the Steelers were a class act. A sad day when they signed Vick. Anyone who harms a being dependent on them is below despicable. Cancelled my NFL Sunday Ticket. This is one fan who won't be cheering from Florida after being a fan for 50 years.

 

Maybe you haven't noticed, but he still has trouble finding jobs. That's why he's here now.


btw "Le'Veon Bell grew up “idolizing” Michael Vick. Now, he is going to have a chance to be in the same huddle as him."

Thank god they got him away from LeGarrette Blount!

 

http://www.timesonline.com/columnis...-4b8e-11e5-ab11-b34ca1b2b972.html?mode=jqmjqm
Good read from a local paper in Beaver County for those aren't from the area Beaver County is connected to Allegheny County.

 

Would all you second chance givers be okay with the Steelers if they signed a convicted Pedo or rapist? I mean, if the court of law says the guy deserves a second chance, then I guess the Steelers and us fans should welcome people like that with welcome arms, because everyone deserves a second chance.. Right? Because these guys accept plea deals, and get out earlier than they should, we should just accept them back into society as reformed individuals? Give me a break. Just because the court of law says one thing, doesn't mean we as a society have to agree with it. Would you guys forgive and forget pedos and rapists? I guess since it's just dogs, we should let it go, even though the individual (Vick) is just as sadistic as pedos, rapists, and all the other ****bags of society.

 

No, that's the opposite of a good read. All Vick apologist seem stuck on the same kind of stupid ...

"What Vick did was horrible but ..."

But nothing.


"They have no trouble cheering for Ben ..."

Obviously befuddle by the felon/not a felon thing.


"It’s an emotional reaction against someone who did something extremely unpleasant ..."

Extremely unpleasant he says.

 

That's another one that gets me. When the hell does the 2nd chance begin? Is it after the 1st dog he tortured and killed, or does it begin after he does it to dozens of dogs and finally gets caught?

The Vick apologists act as if he committed 1 crime. He didn't. He committed dozens of crimes. He had his 2nd chance, and his 3rd chance, and his 4th chance, and his 5th chance ... and he responded to all of them by continuing to torture and kill dogs for his personal enjoyment.

 

Here is the thing though @Ray D everyone is saying that Vick knows what his role is, everyone knows he is a backup and that Ben is an entrenched starter. That Ben is alright with having him on the team, the team is ok with him and so on. Trying not to be vulgar at the moment but the tidbits the official site published last night from Tomlin made it seem like he was slobbering all over his friend. He can make all the throws(yeah but will those connect with any one?) he has experience(how many playoff games has he won?) oh and his running ability no one in the league has that(except RG3, Newton, Russell Wilson, Kapernick and so on. How long before we see Tomlin yank Ben in a seemingly meaningless game where Ben is hobbled and then we have talking heads saying QB controversy

 

OK and if you really believe Ben didn't do anything then you are blind. Why post a guard outside a locked bathroom door in a private area of a bar that you have all to yourself and your friends? You don't want to look at that part of it though right you just want to say hey he didn't get arrested. So if Vick would have gotten off on a technicality would you be good with him being a Steeler? I'm sorry but in my eyes a DUI is worse then dog fighting. You are putting people at risk then bt we all love Ward. Harrison kept his dog that attacked his kid and Porter kept his dogs that got out and killed other peoples pets. How about Ta'Amu running wild on the streets and really could have killed someone why not go all insane when they kept him. The reporter is exactly right as long as it doesn't bother us emotionally we are fine with it.

 

No Mueller from the times

 

I once had the runs at the same time I was vomiting uncontrollably that was extremely unpleasant, the details of what these men did to those dogs is just horrifying, they didn't even try and end their suffering in a humane way. I lack words.

 

Born and bred outside of Pittsburgh in 1965, Steelers fan since diapers and daycare.

For me this is a sad day. Second chances are for mistakes...what Vick did was a conscious choice, repeated over and over. I am disappointed and saddened by the staff and front office for making this move...I don't care if he can help us win...I want to win games, of course, but not at this cost. I'd rather see Tebow in the black and gold, rather than Vick. You can't tell me there isn't another competent backup out there somewhere. This one is hard to swallow.

 

That is trying to paint people into a moral corner in order to make something so morally repugnant seem acceptable. There is a reason I don't own a number 7 jersey, there is a reason I am as critical with him as I am. I think things went on and if it was anyone related to me I wouldn't let Ben be in any type of situation like that with them. As far as Harrison and Porter go No I wouldn't give either one a pass in those situations. I grew up next to pitbulls and I saw some that were so dumb and sweet that you just had to love them and I saw ones that were perfectly gentle with everyone just snap and take off after a small dog and not let go. There is risk in owning a dog of this type and like many are saying these are family members and even when they are to be put down for killing other dogs or attacks humans it still is hard to do. I sat up one night with my Mom's yorkie who was slowly dying from many health issues and i cried and felt more emotion than I did when my grandparents died in PA and I wasn't really close with them. In my mind Vick did his time but I won't support him, I won't trash his rep(except for his playing ability in critical disscussion) and I don't want him on a team that I love like the Steelers

 

There aren't any other competent back ups out there including Tebow. The only one you could argue was Campbell but to me Vick was the best FOOTBALL decision they could make.

 

I'm was really just conveying what the reporter was saying of the hypocrisy of his Vick situation. I don't really care what these guys did as at the end of the day they are just football players. If there was a better option then Vick would I want him on the team absolutely I would but that's not the case.

 

Maybe the guard was there because the two were having sex in a bathroom? You have that kind of pull when you're a famous athlete. Was she dragged into that bathroom kicking and screaming, against her will? No. She knew full well what she was getting into. You have tried numerous times to bring Ben into this, as a way of deflecting the hate on Vick. I think about everyone would agree, if Ben was convicted of rape, or if anyone actually believes he was a rapist, nobody would want him on the team. You keep making it as if we Steelers fans are willing to accept a rapist, but not a dog killer. That is asinine. I said Ta'amu deserved to be cut when it happened. The guy was a ****ing psycho. Your comments regarding players' dogs are absurd. Those are actual mistakes/accidents, not torturing and killing dogs for years. Nobody thinks DUIs are okay.. But the majority of people who drink and drive are not sadistic nutjobs. Everyone knows someone who has gotten a DUI.. It's never right, but they didn't have an intent to kill and torture when getting behind the wheel. Foolish and negligent, yes. Sadistic and stomach churning, no.

 

I hear what you are saying, but for me some things are just more important than a backup quarterback... I would be perfectly fine had we passed on Vick for a lesser choice to maintain our integrity and legacy. Take that lesser QB and "coach" him - what a concept. <sarcasm> I guess if Charles Manson was available and could toss a football then it would be okay because it was a good "football" decision. </sarcasm>)

 

And if you were raised to believe that this is not a bad thing how would you think any differently. I don't know where you have been or what you seen in life but cultural upbringing definitely effects who you become. There are a million examples of this throughout history.

 

I will give him the benefit of the doubt on whether he is truly rehabilitated or not. What I don't understand is why they signed a washed up QB who can't throw the ball in the ocean if he tried, can't read NFL defenses, takes off like a rabbit without going through his progressions etc. Bottom line is he is a crappy QB and always has been.

 

What integrity and legacy? The Steelers legacy is about winning plain and simple. If a player is good enough they look past his troubles. If they had the integrity that some fans love to hype up then Ben, Harrison, Ward, Porter, and Ta'Amu just to name a few would have been cut on the spot. What is the difference in Cedric Wilson and James Harrison? Easy answer Harrison was a star while Wilson was a #3 WR. The Steelers way is more folklore then anything.