Vick Coming for a Look??

Ya know, against my better judgment, I'll bite....

I don't think it really helps to be insulting and surly because someone disagrees with us?

 

He watched countless dogs get hurt, killed, & raped for a long time. Why did he have to learn that isn't a good thing to do? I learned that you don't hurt animals at a very young age. If he wouldn't have gotten caught, he would've continued fighting the dogs, counting his money. The only reason he did all that you mentioned was to try and save his image. If he didn't at least act a little remorseful, he wouldn't have made it onto a roster. Someone that can do that to animals or people are a special kind of evil.

 

I was talking about media. But I guarantee you the Rooney's are laughing because if they want it,it's going to happen

 

You actually said raped? Really? Come on dude

 

OK and you were raised that way he was raised differently. If a kid is taught to hate a race from the time he is born is it his fault he grows up to be a racist. In his world these weren't pets but a means to gamble and have fun. Not saying its right or I agree with it. I'm a transplant from PGH to NC and I was amazed at the amount of people that fight dogs down here. Not all fight to the death or treat them the way he did but a lot do. It's a totally different culture. I'm not going to bring up religion or politics but by me saying that you can hopefully see where I'm going. Which culture is right and which is wrong is all a matter of opinion and who you happen to be talking to at that time.

 

I'm not nesasarily disagreeing. Just looking from a different angle

 

To be technical he is right the female dogs were put in a rack where they couldn't defend themselves and the males would have their way with them. I believe Vick himself called it a rape rack.

 

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I disagree that I'm disagreeing... LOL

 

I don't man I've talked to about 10 different people that fight dogs some to the death and some not but most of them say this is what my dad did and his dad did so to them its a way of life and nothing is wrong with it. It's like the Hispanics and cock fighting for some it is deep rooted in their history and to them there is nothing wrong with it.

 

Then the whole "culture" can go to hell for all I care.. It's 2015 in America.. We are not barbarians anymore. If you can't differentiate between right and wrong in regards to Vick's actions, then you're a piece of **** human. People that give pieces of **** like these passes because of "culture" are only encouraging more of the same by being so passive aggressive and fearful of stepping on anyone's toes. If it's the "culture" then it needs fixed.. It's not a matter of opinion either. There is a right and wrong here. Culture has nothing to do with what is actually right and what is actually wrong. You cannot tell me those people are sooooo culturally influenced in one way, that they cannot honestly know what they are doing is wrong and immoral.

 

Like TheSteelHurtin said, the dogs were strapped to a rape rack. As I mentioned before, they'd also pull out all of the females teeth so she couldn't bite the male. They like to breed the champion dogs. There's a lot more horrors to dog fighting than just the fighting.

 

Just a friendly piece of advice. If you keep up the insults you most likely won't make the day around here.
Just sayin.

 

This just goes everything against of what I think the Steelers represent. If they sign Vick, my mindset will forever change on how I view this organization. I liked to think of them as different than all the other teams out there in how they go about their business. It's a matter of pride to most Steeler fans out there. If that part is gone, then they're just another NFL team.

Most fans root for a team because of the color of their laundry. Steeler fans root for their team because they are a symbol of winning it the right way and with class. That's what makes me a proud Steelers fan. A Vick signing destroys this for me personally. Maybe I'm just naive about our team, I don't know. I just know I don't feel pride right now. It's sad actually.

 

Sound advice Glenn. From personal experience? LOL

 

Yes! Lol

 

A human calling it rape doesn't n make it rape. A dog is not premeditating harming someone through a sex act. It is simply mating. I'm not condoning the action but it's not rape. But you see,all your perceptions don't matter. He's already played in Pennsylvania for two years. Pitt fans didn't help then so know doesn't m ake much difference

 

Idk that it's as much a culture thing as in what ethnicity you are, but more of a product of where he was raised. I was born and raised in the suburbs of a big Midwestern city. People had terriers and labs and huskies, and they walked them and played with them. They were pets... My upbringing and surroundings were much different than his.

He grew up somewhere where a lot of the adults either bred and fought dogs or gambled on them. Dogs probably wouldn't be seen as much as pets and more as a way of protection or entertainment. I'd be willing to bet him and some buddies went to a fight at a young age and saw how much money the dog trainers were making and the people who won the bets, and thought it was cool. I'd be willing to assume that he idolized them in a way similar to the way young city kids idolize gang members or drug dealers. They know it's illegal, but they've been around it so long they are desensitized to it all, and come to think of it as something that isn't really that bad.

I know none of this from experience, but I believe that a scenario like this could explain how someone could get into dog fighting. It certainly isn't an excuse for his actions, but it makes it easier for me to see how something like that could have become a part of his life.

 

I haven't insulted a single person at all yet ( I didn't mean yet as though it's expected either)

 

I'll say this for the discussion it is rather eye opening given that some of us were here for the Bell/Blount pot discussions and the lengthy Brady cheating discussions. To see so many people willing to say winning football games is more important than taking a stand seems to fly in the face of some solid points made in those discussions. From a football perspective Vick simply doesn't fit here, I may be in the minority but I am sorry his skills have diminished to the point that they can't simply overcome the fact that he doesn't fit what Haley is drawing up. From a moral standpoint the team that has passed repeatedly on players who have questionable character flaws and who were perhaps more worthy of conditional second and third chances says to me that they would also pass on Vick no matter how clean he has kept his nose. If they change that then this team becomes a win at all cost type of team and would rank near New England in that regard having everything tainted from this point on.

 

I agree with the last part and I know some of my posts have come as defending what he did an in no way am I doing that. I just won't burn somebody at the stake for screwing up in life it happens and people make really stupid decisions. I'm more of defending his right to have a life even though he screwed up. I was furious when he first got arrested and that's when I started talking to people around the job site about it. It was a very diverse job site and I heard all kind of different opinions. Talking to those who actually fight dogs was kinda eye opening. These guys take their kids and families to the fights like its a big party. I was invited to a few but could never stomach the thought of going but it did open my eyes up to they are taught about it at a very young age so I can kinda see why they think like they do.