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Brady will be playing week one.

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by 12to88, Jul 15, 2015.

  1. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    If they'd run it and Lynch had scored, then Seattle would have won. Their defense would have allowed fewer points than New England's. Then would you say Seattle's defense played well enough to win? The answer is of course. But then they lost somehow, in a way that had nothing to do with Seattle's defense or New England's offense.
     
  2. steelersrule6

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    You can't win this argument Seattle's defense got lit up, when you have 3 Pro Bowlers in the secondary they need to make some plays.
     
  3. HugeSnack

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    I always know I've lost an argument when all my questions go unanswered, and instead the person says, "I win."
     
  4. 12to88

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    Let's not forget one important qualifier here: the Seahwks' D was seriously banged up and not themselves. Sherman and Thomas were playing with one arm. Chancellor was literally playing on one leg. Then they lost Jeremy Lane and Cliff Avril. I'm not one to make excuses, but if those guys are healthy, Seattle has back-to-back titles. Brady's road to glory was paved for him by twist of fate.
     
  5. TerribleTowelFlying

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    And probably some sort of cheating.
     
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  6. Coastal Steeler

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    Dang snack, thats deep. And correct
     
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  7. steelersrule6

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    You lost the argument because all you had to say was a bunch of what if scenarios.
     
  8. Diamond

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    How about 3 pro bowlers playing with significant injuries in that game:

    Kam Chancellor, Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas played with, and through, serious injuries in the super bowl..
    Wednesday, February 04, 2015 2:52 PM PST

    But Chancellor, Sherman and Thomas were the poster players for putting mind over damaged matter.
     
  9. HugeSnack

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    "What if they'd run it with Lynch instead of throwing a super risky timing pass over the middle with a couple of crappy receivers who aren't very good at it?" doesn't seem like much of a stretch. The whole world is asking itself that question, and the whole world has an answer: "Seattle would have won."

    What the hell is wrong with you? Saying they should have run it with Lynch and they'd have won if they had is some kind of zany, off-the-wall what-if scenario? EVERYBODY knows they had that game won if they did that.
     
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  10. steelersrule6

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    Dude you need to stop trying to correct everybody on the board, acting like a know it all because you're clueless as usual. I responded to another poster about the Patriots dink and dunk offense, and Seattle defense couldn't stop them. You bring all this crap about if they ran the ball they win the game, yeah well they didn't run the ball and they lost. There's no guarantee Seattle wins if they give Lynch the ball, ever hear of a goal line stand?
     
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  11. HugeSnack

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    Thanks, I'd been waiting to use my "hilarious" rating.
     
  12. KnoxVegasSteel

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    He'll be playing... playing the skin flute
     
  13. Da Stellars

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    Why are we arguing over last year's Superbowl?

    Like I said before... Money Talks, the powers that be want Brady in that game to profit off the matchup hype of opening day.

    They will make sure he is in that game, and everyone on all sides comes out looking as good as possible. Just seems like a "wag the dog" for the fans.
     
  14. 12to88

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    Here's what's happening, as I feared.

    Brady and the Pats, thanks to their high-powered lawyers and the NFL's basic ineptitude, have managed to convince most everyone that they are the victims in all this. The media has turned in his favor, and so have many of the layers. And now a former NFL employee is suing Wells.

    Forget...1. That Brady lied about knowing McNally; 2. That Brady lied about not caring about ball inflation; 3. That "Deflator" is a term meant for someone who loses weight; 4. That a a Patriots equipment manager took game balls into a location where he shouldn't have, without permission; 5. That Brady destroyed his phone because...well, it's just what he does when he gets a new one, though he didn't do that the last time he got a new one.

    None of that matters. It's now all about the NFL's abuse of power.

    The Patriots have thumbed their noses at everyone for a long time and basically said, "You can't PROVE we did anything." In other words, if you can't prove it 100%, they're innocent. (With that logic, Hernandez is innocent, too.)

    I really do think he's going to get out of this with a fine.
     
  15. Lizard72

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  16. Blast Furnace

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    I don't think Brady will agree to any suspension, he's delusional and I don't see any way Goodell whittles it down to 0 games. The judge will have to settle it.

    It will probably be 2 games, Brady will still miss the opener.
     
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  17. turtle

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    where are the equipment managers? these are the "witnesses" per say. Seems like an easier way to go if they are under oath, instead of the Brady lawyers trying to pull one over. Brady's only defense as I can figure is..."I did nothing wrong". I guess if Michael Scott from "The Office" can declare bankruptcy, then Brady is innocent.
     
  18. Busman

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    I would agree as well Brady is not wanting to compromise. The chief reason is because he is arrogant to the point of denying everything. He has denied and will continue to deny any wrongdoing. At this juncture in the process I really do not see him giving in, even if he knew he had no chance in a reversal of the penalty. He has a reputation to uphold and he is committed to his innocence. I see this going all the way and if his goal is to simply prolong it so he can play the first or several games before serving any kind of suspension he is on the right track. Delaying this thing goes a long way to playing right into his and the Pat organizations hands.
     
  19. thorn058

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    My understanding from the article on nfl.Com last night is that the judge can't rule on Brady's guilt or innocence but can only make a judgement if the league is within their rights to punish it's players. Since the system of checks and balances isn't really there and the Union and the league gave the commissioner broad powers under the new CBA the judge would almost have to side with the league. So public opinion really can't influence any type of ruling.
     
  20. 12to88

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    They're immaterial to this. Brady and his lawyers aren't "legally" arguing innocence. (Brady is in the public sphere.) Rather, they're arguing procedure. Goodell has already ruled on this. Under the CBA, that's that. So in taking this to federal court, Brady and his lawyers are arguing the procedure and the league's "fairness" in the penalty that was given. The judge in this case will only be presented with the Wells findings, the appeal transcript, and a copy of the CBA. That's the only evidence relevant here.
     
  21. 12to88

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    I would normally agree. But Vilma and Peterson both fought the league (Goodell) and won on this.
     
  22. niterider

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    If he's worried about his image he could simply come out and say that while he believes he's innocent in all this, he will accept the punishment so that the team can move forward and concentrate on winning games.
     
  23. turtle

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    Gotcha, then I don't see how the suspension can be changed by the courts since Goodell was given that power in the CBA.
     
  24. Busman

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    Which in the end makes you wonder why the NFL even rules on anything lol.. They might as well involve and outside judiciary official for everything. At least this way it would be over quicker.. This has dragged on for sooooooooo long. I think I hate this as much as I hate hearing about anything Kardashian lol
     
  25. Steel_in_DC

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    I think the reputation is the biggest reason Brady is pushing this to the courts. There is the possibility he thinks he did nothing wrong, but considering the circumstantial evidence of the “Deflator” and the guy taking game balls in the bathroom right before the game he may also know he is guilty. So then it is Brady’s rationalization of the crime where he believes the conduct of the NFL in carrying out the investigation and the massive blow up of what seems to be a petty issue makes him cry BS.

    As I have said, I think Brady is guilty and I think people (especially foes) would have greater respect if he would have said hey yeah we jerry rigged the balls a bit, wasn’t sure of the exact rules, didn’t think it was that big of a deal, sorry I won’t do it again. Things probably would have died down. But the brilliance of the Pats and the Brady in this thing is that they have managed to turn this into a focus on the utter incompetence of the league again which then further helps maintain or only slightly damage Brady’s reputation. If the suspension is held up, a lot of people (unless you have complete blinders on) are going to say “Something fishy was done – yes probably cheating, but it sure seems like a lot of hoopla over an investigation that was riddled with errors and a league that admittedly had poor procedures for ball management prior to the game.”

    I kind of wonder if Goodell is going at this so hard to try to make up for what many really deemed as a screw up by the NFL when they burned the SpyGate tapes. That was where a greater investigation was really necessary – where the time should have been taken to better understand exactly what the Patriots were doing with tape.
     

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