Brady will be playing week one.

I'd tell tom tom it's 4 games now and if you take it to court it will be a season without pay.

 

unless Hilary or the IRS have control of toms phone. (sorry TTF I couldn't resist)

 

Good point. Even so...why would he then be forced to turn that over in the appeal? The NFLPA is going after the procedure, so the only evidence that can be brought into court is that which already exists. The court would be ruling on whether or not the NFL had the right to suspend Brady, with regards to due process.

I am with you 100% on this. I think Brady is as guilty as hell. But I also think there is legal maneuvering here that will either get Brady out of it or will, at least, place an injunction on the suspension and he'll play week one.

 

All he needs is an injunction to delay the suspension until the hearing is held. It's very real and possible.

 

Not a lawyer by any stretch of the imagination bur if they appeal to federal court can't the league file a motion for discovery, or at least a motion to include the text messages. I mean they aren't appealing a court ruling it is a league ruling so I would think the leagues lawyers would bring the best case they can which would include all the text messages.

 

Thinking it's a big advantage for the steelers if he doesn't play is not the right attitude for this team to take, because they have to prepare for a big battle regardless of who starts at QB, if brady is out and they think they are going to have a cake walk that's a recipe for disaster, I really don't care if he plays or not, if we have out team prepared on both sides of the ball they cant beat us with or without him....

 

I would argue that the procedure has nothing to do with him cooparting. Goodell knew Brady was going to try something like this because of the way he acted during the lock out. Like I said earlier he wrote the suspension to the point that it's going to be really hard for the courts to overturn it.

 

Me neither. LOL.

But in the article I posted, the NFLPA's approach through appeal is focused on the NFL's procedures and whether or not, based on the Wells report, they had the right to suspend Brady. This is the Ryan Braun defense. They'll go after the procedure and not argue Brady's innocence. As a result, the NFL won't be allowed to argue any new evidence; the argument will be whether or not the NFL had the material it needed to justify the suspension at that moment. The NFL won't be allowed to dig up new info...that would only happen if Brady filed a civil suit against the NFL.

 

I hope he is not because it would mean the system is flawed and has no integrity.

Will depend on how bad Roger wants to see the season opener with Brady on the field. He is a good drawing card. That is for certain but real football fans will watch regardless if he plays or not

I have stated many times I don't think he plays and very hopeful that is the case. Steelers would win if he plays or does not.. How is that for optimism?

If he makes it to the field I personally hope he gets carted off... Sorry but that's just how I feel. I know it's not cool haha

 

I wonder if were assuming that the law trumps the NFL's rules/policies?

I mean if you're a member of the NFL and you agreed to their rules and discipline by signing your contract, Then what would you have to gain by going to a federal court?

If this isn't the case then why don't Bell take his case to court or why don't James Harrison go back and try to get some of his money back for some of his fines?

 

I don't think they can attack the procedure though either. The broad definitions that they worked into the conduct policy would clearly cover this. If it is determined that Brady did something that cast a shadow on the shield which he clearly did then it is within the leagues right to punish him in whatever way they choose. Reading Troy Vincent's letter to the Pats and Brady he outlines clearly the action taken and why.

 

For anyone who forgot

“With respect to your particular involvement, the report established that there is substantial and credible evidence to conclude you were at least generally aware of the actions of the Patriots’ employees involved in the deflation of the footballs and that it was unlikely that their actions were done without your knowledge,” Vincent wrote in a letter to Brady. “Moreover, the report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence.

 

Of course they can. It doesn't mean they'll win. But they certainly can...and in doing so, gain an injunction that will allow Brady on the field week one.

 

No doubt.

But Brady's arrogance and hubris ranks right up there with Lance Armstrong and Roger Clemens.

 

Would love to see him take it into court and have them bring this up

1. You said you didn't know the guy, but here you are giving him signed merchandise.
2. You said you don't know the proper PSI for footballs or the rules for the preparation of them on gameday, but you were the one standing in front of the competition committee arguing for the rule for preparing for preparing footballs.
3. Here you are telling another team to study the rule-book if they don't know something.
“Maybe those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out. We obviously knew what we were doing and we made some pretty important plays. It was a real good weapon for us. Maybe we’ll have something in store next week.”

 

And laughing while he lied to a *pats packed tv show, and ask them if I cheated comment

 

Yup! If refusing to hand over text messages constitutes a 4-game suspension, I can only imagine taking the league to federal court would warrant a full 16 game suspension! That's like the epitome of non-cooperation.

Also, I hope this court thing pushes Tommy's suspension well beyond week 1, and the commish has the cahones to enact the full suspension mid-season, or during the playoff run. That would be some sweet justice. Suspend the guy for weeks 12-15 instead of 1-4. By appealing to the federal courts it puts his team in a bind. As a fan I wouldn't be too happy.

 

Well, if you didn't think Tom Brady was an arrogant prig before, you certainly should now.

He destroyed his cell phone and then had the hubris to tell Goodell that he was turning it in.

When people and organizations use flimsy excuses like this and the "deflator" excuse, and do so with a straight face, it says, "I am above you and prove me wrong."

The sooner Tom Brady retires from the NFL, the better. In my 40 years as a fan, I don't think I have disliked a football player more than this guy, and my dislike just keeps growing.

That said, I still fear that he will file an appeal in federal court and will get an injunction and will still manage to play week one, as his lawyers drag the thing out. I don't think he can or will win this appeal. But that's not the point. The point is to delay it as long as possible.

 

How in gods name does he win an appeal.. The equipment guys would have to swear under oath and believe me there is no love for the Patriots organization by these guys. Secondly Brady destroyed key evidence when he trashed his phone..

 

Oh he will definitely take this to Federal court. He has already retained a Lawyer for over 2 million dollars. But what I feel will happen is that his team will not fast track this, but slow it down to a Crawl...then because it is a Federal appeal...I think Brady can play the 4 games....then after this season...Brady might just retire...and case closed on all this.

 

I wish Brady was playing week one. I want to beat a team at their best. Even if we do lose. But, I also wish Bell would play so we could be at our best.

 

1. He likely won't win the appeal. The only chance he and his legal team has is if Doty (who is partial to the NFLPA) takes the case in Minneapolis. And he just might.

2. The equipment guys would not have to testify. The appeal will focus on the procedure: did the NFL punish Brady unjustly? Did Goodell have the right to hear the appeal? etc. That kind of stuff.

3. Yes, he did destroy evidence, and that makes Brady's appeal, that he was unjustly punished, next to impossible to prove.