~ OFFICIAL 2015 TSF.COM FANTASY DRAFT STEELERS VOTING & DISCUSSION ~

Arik seems to be a lock for the San Francisco pick by most reports. But new head coach Jim Tomsula is a former defensive line coach. So it will be interesting come draft day whether he is the pick or not. That will give a glimpse on their perception of him. A lot of the knocks on both Armstead and Dupree is their "motor". Physically gifted no doubt, but a lot of their critiques are desire related - lack of pursuit, taking plays off, etc.

 

It's definitely a balance.

Let's look at 2005. Would you have drafted Aaron Rodgers, had he been on the board?

Ben Roethlisberger just finished arguably the greatest rookie season for a QB ever. We found our franchise guy, and Super Bowls seemed to be in our future (and they were).

Heath Miller is one of my favorite players of all time, and until he was injured I'd have argued he was every bit as good at being a TE as Aaron Rodgers is at being a QB. But who am I kidding, we all know Rodgers has the bigger impact, and the better value. An elite QB is a big deal.

So pretend you had a crystal ball and knew exactly how amazing both Miller and Rodgers would be. Do you draft Rodgers, with Ben going into his 2nd season, and sit one of them on the bench? That's one hell of a backup, and maybe the competition improves them both. Or does somebody get sour and does the locker room start to stink? OR do you pass on the incredible Rodgers for the less impactful non-Pro Bowler Miller, and add a missing puzzle piece to your offense?

If you can choose one of those, you know where you stand.

Now add the element that in real life, you don't really know if either of those guys will work out. BPA sounds great, but BPA under any circumstance is ridiculous. You have to combine them. And there's no way we won't have a player of appropriate value at #22 at a position of need greater than DE.

 

To add a few other thoughts to this BPA/needs conversation, we all don't know what direction our defense is headed. Are we a 3-4 or are we moving more to a 4-3? The Steelers have come out and said they want to mix in more 4-3 but haven't said how much and that will change the way we draft and what our needs our.

Another thing is our front office/scouts/coaches have so much more knowledge and more information on these prospects then we ever dreamed of. Making how the Steelers rank BPA different then how most of us do. I am a BPA guy however I totally understand where people are coming from when talking needs. This year we have so many needs that BPA and needs will match.

What position would anyone consider we are totally set at and couldn't use help at, QB, ILB....and maybe with the signing of Williams RB. We have glaring needs at CB, OLB, SS/FS(depending what they do with Mitchell) and DT/NT. We always can use oline help and in this NFL always need weapons at WR. We are looking for the next Miller at TE(if there is such a thing) so that is a need area. BPA vs Need this year could very well end up being the same thing....jmo.

 

Some very good points added here.

Cajun.

 

I may have been a bit misleading. I want to be clear.
BPA= Best player available regardless of position.
Need= a position void of starter talent or starters with zero talent at back-up
Value= When BPA and need join in a glorious union. Value has degrees depending on how great the need or how well the BPA fits the need.

I guess I'm more of a value guy.

On Dupree. I know nfldraftscout has him at 16 overall. I disagree. He has top 10 physical and performance ( non field related ) measurables. His on field production doesn't match that ( could be coaching problem ) AND no-one has ever said he has a high motor, but takes plays off. I have a 2nd RD grade on him ( go ahead and call me crazy ). If he had that high motor to me he'd then be a 1st rder and only then would the debate begin on whether or not we could coach him up to be a starter........someday

On Erik..... He fits what we do as of now, we have 2 starters and no back-up in my opinion. Thomas isn't the answer and moving McLendon outside seem to be against the coaching staffs consideration. He's a safer pick than Dupree but again we can address this need later.

Cajun

 

I am pretty new to this board and this draft first I would like to say wow this is cool. I have been in the shadows watching this, I just wish I would have can here sooner I would love to be part of it. Now onto the Steelers discussion of the 3rd rounder, I am not sure if this is the place for it but there are some nice names out there to look at. a few names I would like to talk about(which I am not sure if you are suppose to throw names out there) are Prewitt and Holliman. Both are FS but with Troy gone now and the talk of Mitchell moving over to SS I would love one of these guys as a ball hawking FS.

I really want Holliman, he is my guy he is the guy I think can help us get turnovers. The problem here is I don't want to roll the dice and see if he will last until our pick in the 4th. I would rather reach maybe a little and get the guy I want then to wait and miss out on him. I would also consider trading back a few spots to gain another pick and get the player I want cause I feel in this draft there are some real gems in rounds 3-5. I think with us already getting a OLB and CB in this draft we grab this guy and we really help our defense big time.

I know there are some really good names still left for us to pick from but with the way we were in the turnover department last year this is who I am lasered in on, thoughts on this? Nice job so far all.

 

agreed...same with me and Denver! lol

 

Happy days give me a team I am in, you guys decide I will take any team and thanks so much.

 

Steelers voting/discussion for the 3rd round is open (and probably will be most of the day)!

 

To toss out a few names: Jaquiski Tart, ss/fs, Gerod Holiman, FS, TJ Yeldon, RB

 

Lmao, let me know which team and I can get caught up with them.....as for a wife sorry one is more then enough......lol!

 

My vote is Gerod Holliman FS the ball hawker we are looking for and I am to scared to let him ride to next round. other names that really have me interested are:

Golden OLB Mizz
Shaw CB USC
Hardy WR E. Car

A guy that I really like but I feel we can't afford to take here is Langford RB Mich ST. With us signing Williams RB has to take a back seat till later we have to many other needs then to take a RB in the 3rd.

PS

I would like to add 14 ints for Holliman last year.......so what if he can't tackle be our playmaker!!!!!

 

If it is ok I would be happy to take Denver, they have a pick coming up and have a lot of picks still to come...3 in the 7th.

 

I think Yeldon wouldn't be bad here, and it's a matter of offense vs defense for me. I love defense, so I'm going with:

Senquez Golson, CB, Mississippi

He's a smaller dude, but a real BA. I love his combine footage because he's standing there all stone-faced when everyone else is joking around. Plus his SEC production was fantastic. Stick him in as our 3rd CB and never look back. Brings nearly the same production as Holliman without the perceived baggage.

 

The 49ers stole Dorsett in the 2nd.