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Holmes: I want to retire as a Steeler, Everyone else:.....

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by lloyddestroy, Mar 17, 2015.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Can't smoke it at work but they can on their own time, how you going to prove when they smoked it?
     
  2. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Well if a guy is a truck driver and has to take a drug test and he tested positive for pot he could lose his job if his company says he can't smoke it.
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Thats here, but in a state that pot is legal? How could they? No job can tell you what to do outside of work. As long as he isn't high while on company time, I dont see how they could enforce it. You cant drink on the job but you sure as heck can outside of work. Hows it different?
     
  4. blountforcetrauma

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    They can do it the same as the NFL can do it. Companies can set policies and to work for them you can either agree to it or disagree to it. If a player gets found with Molly in their system in the NFL they can be suspended for it. It's a "legal" drug as far as the "law of the land" but company policy states that you can't take it. You have the "right" to cuss me out if you want to in person but on here if you did that TTF could say he's kicking you out or whatever. Well...maybe. LOL. If the NFL or any other company wants to maintain a "drug free work place" they reserve the right to do so. If I had a company I would do random drug tests all the time and if I caught somebody with drugs in their system they would be gone. If they wanted to work for me they would go by my rules or they would hit the road.
     
  5. Coastal Steeler

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    Blount is right. We have Marines in Wash and CO. They pee funny they get put out
     
  6. Blast Furnace

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    Again, thats because its illegal here, I don't think you can pull it off in a state that it is legal in, youd open yourself up to a lawsuit. As long as you are not high while on company time, they cant stop you, same as if you want to get drunk off of company time in this state, go ahead, just dont be drunk at work.

    Costal, you're military, whole different animal.
     
  7. mac daddyo

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    the federal govt. still says it's illegal. even in the states that say it's ok.:cool:
     
  8. freakfontana

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    exactly the pot is like a beer there ..
     
  9. blountforcetrauma

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    You are confusing company policy with laws of the land. If a Bronco player gets busted with pot in their system, which apparently Von Miller did, they will be suspended. I know the companies can't force people to not smoke pot but if they catch them with it in their system they can hold them accountable if they have a drug free policy. The same as they can tell you that you can't have a gun in your car on company property. The thing also about it being "legal" is a really broad term. It's only legal up to a certain amount and I think the amount is quite minimal. Didn't Welker get suspended for taking Ritalin or some other amphetamines? It's a legal drug but it's against the company policy of the NFL and so is pot.
     
  10. blountforcetrauma

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  11. Blast Furnace

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    I stand corrected but that will change eventually. The only reason its on the NFL banned list is because its illegal, its not like its a performance enhancing drug, once it is legalized by all states, eventually NFL will remove it from it's banned substance list, no reason not to. If they don't, they might as well ban alcohol too.
     
  12. blountforcetrauma

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    If they wanted to ban alcohol they could. They reserve the right to establish any policy they want. My wife works for the insurance firm where my stepmom is a partner and the actual owner of the company makes his employees keep their vehicles properly maintained and free of dents and things like that. He says that it looks bad for insurance employees to seem like they can take care of other people when they don't even take care of their own stuff. People agree to come under those terms when they work there and that's how they get around that stuff from a legal standpoint. If they don't like that policy they will have to go somewhere else. The gvt can't come in there and tell that company that they can't enforce their own policies. What they would do is tell the employee to get a job where that policy doesn't exist. The way the NFL feels is that basically their employees "represent" their product and that's why they set codes of conduct. The problem they have is that they seem to have double standards for certain employees ya know? Von Miller gets 6 games for smoking pot but Ray Rice gets 2 for literally knocking his wife out. That's lopsided. I agree that they both should have been suspended because both violated policy but the image it puts forth is that domestic violence isn't that big of a deal.
     
  13. lewisha

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    I would love this! He is only what, 42 now? I mean, if Silverback keeps doing good, why wouldn't we bring Earl Holmes back to man the middle and move Shazier to outside backer? We were talking about Earl Holmes, right?
     
  14. Blast Furnace

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    Yeah, good luck enforcing that. Pretty sure the players union would squash that anyway.

    If pot continues to go the legalized route, it will come off the NFL banned list, theres no other reason to ban it other than its illegal.
     
  15. blountforcetrauma

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    I don't know if this is the reason or not but IF pot is actually a pain reliever then maybe that's why the NFL has it as a "performance enhancer". Although I don't know if that's what it's actually classified as or not. I do know that my stepmom's dad was diagnosed with cancer and they gave him a pill called Marinol and it was basically just pot in a pill. So maybe their theory is that some guy is smoking pot and it's helping his body to heal faster than another player then maybe that's why it's banned because they would consider one guy's relief of pain an advantage over a guy who is trying to go by their rules and just deal with the pain? That would be the only way I could see somebody gaining an advantage by using it.
     
  16. Blast Furnace

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    Actually, I think that it can be used as a pain manager will strengthen the chances of it being allowed, these guys suffer a lot of pain, not allowing them access to it, just seems cruel.
     
  17. blountforcetrauma

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    If they do allow it they might just allow it in that pill form. I don't know if it has been proven to actually work or if it is just sorta "experimental" at this point.
     
  18. jeh1856

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    I'm having a hard time putting performance enhancing and pot in the same sentence. Could you see the steelers playing an entire team that's stoned? It would look like NFL bloopers.
     
  19. Scrap

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    You surely do not speak for me either. I have some very memorable moments from watching Holmes play and I was shocked when he was traded for peanuts even in light of the pot charges. Sure hes make some mistakes but I wouldn't mind seeing him retire a Steelers, he played a major role in securing us a Super Bowl win. Would be nice to have in our arsenal if the price was right but I wouldn't expect the FO to do it.
     
  20. defva

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    I would take him back before I would take wallace. Man, I wish we had him in the last super bowl we were in...we would've beat green bay easily. Let him back for cheap and let him retire as a proud Steeler!
     
  21. steelersrule6

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    Holmes can't play anymore no interest in him at all. He can sign a one day contract and retire a Steelers.
     
  22. Coastal Steeler

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    Yeah Blast. we got no rights Haha
     
  23. Blast Furnace

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    Thats exactly what I was thinking :lolol:
     
  24. Bleedsteel

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    Sorry, This is the wrong forum to address this in, but, I just have to, because it pisses me off so bad...

    Apparentley, in the state of OHIO, hospitals can legally fire an employee who smokes tobbacco cigarettes, on their own time, in their own home, because it violates the Hospital`s new policy, even if that employee, has been working for them, for the last 20 years, prior to this new policy..

    Yes, You read that right...

    Not smoking cigarettes on the clock, or on company property, or a ban on hiring NEW employees, that choose to smoke a legal product in the privacy of their own homes, or when they are going about their personal business during the course of their daily lives...

    But, people that have already been working for this "company", no matter how many years, can lose their jobs/ livelihood, if they test positive, for having nicotine in their body, whether they "smoked" on company property, or in their own homes...

    Whether they smoked, when they were first hired, or not.

    C`MON MAN!!!!:rant::mad:
     
  25. Rinat

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    The same is actually the case here in Pittsburgh with the UPMC hospitals. They've banned employees from smoking entirely. I'm not sure if they go as far as testing for nicotine, but I do know that if a higher up smells tobacco on you you will be issued a warning and help groups or such courses will be available for you to quit tobacco. If you refuse or don't then I'm sure they will terminate you. So it's not just Ohio where they are doing this. Same thing with UPMC here in Pittsburgh. Heh.

    Oh hello everyone. First time posting, long time reader. Figured I'd post something because I know a little about the off-topic subject at hand haha.
     

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