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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steel1031, Mar 13, 2015.

  1. BobbyBiz

    BobbyBiz Well-Known Member

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    And a bargain.
     
  2. biggbunch68

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  3. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    Seems like a fair deal considering what QBs get nowadays. Has anyone worked out how this affects the cap yet?
     
  4. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    ~$7 Mil before these recent transactions.

    I can't really comment one way or the other without knowing how the deal is structured. It's probably more team friendly than most people would expect in the long run.
     
  5. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Impossible to say right now. It'll be a little while before the full details are leaked out.
     
  6. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    :facepalm: That's the going rate for a franchise QB, you aren't getting one for cheap.
     
  7. lloyddestroy

    lloyddestroy Well-Known Member

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    I'd rather have them have it done, and have Ben onboard, and not "get the greatest deal" then the opposite. I am fine with it. Pay the man, it's the market value and he had an outstanding season last year - I believe statistically the best ever in franchise history.
     
  8. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    I figured it would be more team friendly.
     
  9. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    It's about right where it should be. If you can get a healthy Ben Roethlisberger tied up for 5 years for about a 100 mil, you do it. The first three are statements on commitment and bragging rights. It will be restructured going forward so they'll save in the long and neither side has to hang their head.

    This is one area the Rooneys have not messed around with, and we're relevant for the next half decade because of it. Great Job!
     
  10. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    $60.75 Mil is guaranteed. According to LaCanfora, his 2015 cap hit has been reduced by over a million.
     
  11. PWP

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    was the fair price . Some speculated 25 mil or so a year to much IMO . I think this deal is right in line and I hope the Team is able to kill the deal after 3 seasons if need be.
     
  12. Bleedsteel

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    Sounds like a good deal...

    I`m not sure how well he will be holding up physically after 4 more years, and we can deal with that then...

    Right now, he is worth every penny he is getting...

    And, I`m on record as saying, I don`t know about, or like to think about the business/money side of the game,

    But I read an interesting article about how Dirty Suh`s contract was workd w/ the Fins, to cost them next to nothing(cap-wise), THIS season...

    But they are gonna be in salary cap hell, the next few years, because of it...

    (Even tho they ditched overpriced Mike Wallace...)

    Something like he will account for almost 20% of thier cap room, in 2016, but, they can`t cut him because of "Guarantees", and they will have to "restructure" him, next season, etc...

    Like I said, I try not to get into that side of it, but it is important, if you want to contend year in, and year out...

    We seem to do that fairly well...
    Is Omar Kuhn still the man in charge of contracts, like Ben`s?


    If so, we should "lock him up"... He seemss to be pretty good at the "numbers game"...:thumbs_up::cool::herewego!:...

    Any deal, where the player, AND the team, are happy, is a good one, IMHO!

    GO STEELERS!!!
     
  13. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He's played every game the last 2 seasons, had his best statistical season ever, last year. Take away the career ending injury that every player is subject to at any moment, I think he finishes this contract easy.
     
  14. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    This is why we can't sign a big name FA.
    Restructures!!!!!!!
     
  15. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Signing "big name" free agents almost never works out. Go back through the past several years and look at how the biggest, flashiest free agent signings panned out. The Dolphins picked up a bunch of shiny, big name free agents 2 years ago. They're all off the team already.

    Restructuring gets a bad rap because it sometimes backfires when it's overused or when the contract of a guy is restructured and he declines rapidly (Woodley). If the contracts of the right guys are restructured, it can be a good tool to help manage the cap. Actually, I think it would be very difficult to build and maintain a top team without restructuring some contracts and negotiating contracts that you know you're going to restructure.
     
  16. contract

    contract Well-Known Member

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    This isn't a restructure ... it's an extension.

    The restructure comes next year. ;)
     
  17. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I just read ben is guaranteed 65 mil. in the first 3 years which sets the record.:cool:
     
  18. Blast Furnace

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    Agreed. I'm probably one of the few fans that has no problem with restructuring, probably because I don't have any fantasy of going out and buying high priced FA's, for the very reason you gave, I believe its a poor way to try and build a team. So other than not being able to buy high priced FA's, which I don't want to anyway, how has the restructuring hurt them?
     
  19. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Man! That's even more than Suh got in guarantees and guarantees are really what makes the contract a true blockbuster anyway.
     
  20. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, That's for the pizzazz! "The Pittsburgh Steelers give Ben more money than anyone ever... " sort of thing but will immediately be beat by the next Big franchise QB signing.

    They did it right, getting him locked up long term for the going rate but still giving the player and his agent some swag.
     
  21. thorn058

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    The problem i have withe restructures Blast isn't that they limit what can be done in free agency but how it forces creative capping every year. I guess the restructures are part and parcel of the new NFL but I'd rather they try to make things work with in the cap with out forcing restructures over an over and over again. Add to that the restructures also often force cutting of solid depth guys because you need more room to sign necessary players let alone even thinking of FA's. At somepoint they are going to have to pay Peter or let everything go back to zero or a more manageable number and be mediocre for a few years.
     
  22. biggbunch68

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    Ijust read a tweet that said Ben was going to make 35 million in 2015 and 53 mill in the first 2 years.. :eek:
     
  23. freakfontana

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    it's 65 milion guaranteed in the first 3 years
     
  24. Bleedsteel

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    Obviously, I`m no lawyer, but it seems like they throw around the term "guarnteed", in a different context, than an average person would take it...

    Parts of it seem t be "guaranteed", like the signing bonus, or whatever... But as far as i know, no contract is truly "guaranteed", the way I would define it, or else, how can a team cut/relase/trade you, when you re still "under contract"...

    I guess this is where "dead money" comes in...

    Cut a guy, that was "gauranteed" money, over his next couple years, and you are paying him that "guaranteed money"?

    And what about players that get cut because they get hurt?

    It happens all the time..

    Player X had 3 years left on a 5 year deal, but blew out his knee/ankle/back/neck, whatever, and he is released...

    If no other team picks him up... Does he still get the "Guaranteed" money?

    I was under the impression the contract was null and void, when the team cut him...

    That`s part of why I don`t like to think of the "bidness" side... makes my head swim.

    Sorry, done ranting now...

    More intelligent, and rational fans, carry on... Just had to vent for a second!:thumbs_up::cool::yeehaw:

    GO STEELERS!
     
  25. Diamond

    Diamond Well-Known Member

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    The guarantee is prorated over 5 years, that comes to 13 mill a year, how the remaining 35 mill salary is stretched out over the 5 years will determine the total cap hit, most likely it will be back loaded in the deal, but at the least early on 65 mill prorated for 5 years is the big number....At any rate, it is a cap friendly contract for a franchise QB, stay healthy Ben and at least give us the 3 years......
     

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