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the steelers draft process

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by mac daddyo, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    [h=1]Pittsburgh Steelers Go Behind The Scenes of the 2014 Draft[/h] by Kim Myers 40w ago


    The Pittsburgh Steelers are pulling back the curtain, so to speak, on their process of the draft. The Steelers website is showcasing a series of mini documentary-style videos giving fans a behind-the-scenes look at the draft process for the Steelers from the end of the 2013 season till Roger Goodell announces the pick.
    The first episode of the series begins with the end of the 2013 season where the Steelers finished 8-8 and missed the playoffs for a second consecutive season. The players shook hands and cleaned out their lockers but the coaching staff and front office personnel returned to work immediately to get preparations started for the draft process.
    The series will show the draft process with the perspective of everyone including Coach Tomlin, GM Kevin Colbert, President Art Rooney II, the coordinators and position coaches, and scouts. It will show the fans just how much work and preparation goes into building the draft board and then ultimately making the picks.
    This kind of thing appeals to me more than the team ending up on HBO’s Hard Knocks would and I think that a lot of fans can learn a lot from a series like this. Even those who hilariously think that they already know more than the coaches and front office can stand to learn a thing or two about what really goes on in the process; how many months of planning, preparation, and evaluation are involved.
    Episode one reveals that the Steelers recognized early that their target for the first pick of the 2014 draft would be a defensive playmaker. You can watch the episode right here.:cool:
     
  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yes, good stuff Mac, I am looking forward to the rest of them. I came across this when you and I were discussing Butlers involvement. I agree, this is much more appealing to me then Hard Knocks.
     
  3. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    That will be cool. Although I think our strategy is pretty obvious really. I think Colbert walks in and points to Cleveland and says "you see what they're doing?" and Tomlin says "yes" and Colbert says "do the opposite". LOL.
     
  4. PWP

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    Nice find I look forward to more . One thing I noticed I didn't see a lot of X Football looking scouts at that table . The brief talking I heard was more from a statistical point of view . I would like to hear some more player evaluation of in game play .


    Another reason I wished we would project the roster and the roster holes further than the end of the season. We need some scouts following players for their College Career IMO.

    Is why I would hire some High School Coaches because they start scouting kids in the 5th. and 6th. grade and projecting their physical growth and speculating what their best position will be in High School. After that you start putting a bug in the Coaches ear work with this kid on that work with this other kid on this trying to build a roster 5 years away.. This would have to be of some value in the NFL as well .
     
  5. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    They were released once a week last spring. Here are the links to all of them in order:

    Behind the Steelers draft 1
    Behind the Steelers draft 2
    Behind the Steelers draft 3
    Behind the Steelers draft 4

    These videos are for show and are well produced. They're not going to follow scouts watching summer practices over a chain link fence. The regional scouts are certainly involved in those meetings.

    I don't know when they start tracking prospects, but, as fluid as the NFL is, it would be pretty resource wasteful (and impossible) to try to build a roster 5 years away.
     
  6. PWP

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    Thanks for the link and I agree can't build a entire roster 5 years out . I do think you could look at who was under contract and look for potential holes 3 or 4 seasons in advance. 3 years is about all those College kids are going to play.

    Like right now we need a Team of scouts scouting High Schools for QB'S .If you have a good ideal of the QB'S that have what you like going into College you can save resources later. Already vetted the guys you like .
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    :goofy: Guess I would have been waiting a long time to see another one posted :oops:

    But you'd think they'd have them lumped together in the first place.
     
  8. strummerfan

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    Total waste of time to scout high schools. Something like .08% (yes less than 1%)of hs players make it to the nfl and less than 2% of college players.
     
  9. PWP

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    What is the percentage of top High School players go to College and what percentage of those make it to the NFL. I am not saying scout every High School in the country but the top 15 or so players at their position have a lot greater chance than that of making it to the NFL.

    Again I am talking about top players , they do it in Basketball and Oak Hill High School is the College factory and the NBA factory . Not sure of the numbers but a lot of great NBA players came and are coming from just that 1 High School.
     
  10. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think basketball players still only need to play college ball for 1 year, not 3 like the NFL. Big difference. I think it would be wasteful to bother scouting playrs before their 2nd year out of HS.
     
  11. PWP

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    I understand ,but the times are changing . This year in N.C. in the State playoffs Teams where complaining about Charter Schools . I can see this becoming just like Oak Hill where Charter schools can draw big player talent and big Coaching Talent to make a Football factory.

    Just in case this happens I would like for the Steelers to have the inside connections . Who knows what the NCAA rules will be 5 years down the road . Just suggesting options that might give us a future edge on others in the Draft game . It's a big money game and any and all advantages should be explored that's all I'm saying.
     
  12. lloyddestroy

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    So the owner of the Browns used to be part owner of the Steelers and studied how we ran our franchise....and buys the Browns and promptly turns them into a mess, or - I should say - promptly keeps them a mess. The story of the GM texting the coaches during games tells me they are as jacked up as they appear to be. What is he texting to the coaches during the game? Which QB to start? Which plays to run. Is he in turn getting word from the owner on what to tell them to do? That is a hot mess over in that crap hole of a city.

    Ever been to the Flats? It used to rock, now it's bulldozed to the ground. WTF happened to that crap town? It was never that nice, but now it's just pathetic and embarrassing.

    [video=youtube;ysmLA5TqbIY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY[/video]
     
  13. turtle

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    I used to party a lot at the Flats. They told me I had a great time.

    Haven't been to downtown Cleveland in awhile, but I think friends told me they turned that into an industrial warehouse area.
     
  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I appreciate the out of the box thinking, but I really feel thats a waste of resources. Attending games and watching film is still the biggest deciding factor in drafting a player, vetting them is a small piece of it, not worth keeping tabs on a HS player that if good enough, will be known to everyone anyway.
     
  15. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Yeah their owner is a first rate scumbag dude. His company is headquartered here in Knoxville and that guy's as crooked as a dog's hind leg. I'm not surprised at all that he would also be surrounded by other scummy people. I've wondered what the Steelers would have done if he had still been a minority owner when all his criminal stuff came out.
     
  16. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    That Cleveland Tourist video just cracks me up every time.
     
  17. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    he was BFT.:cool:
     
  18. steelersrule6

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    I posted this on this site after last years draft :facepalm:
     
  19. blountforcetrauma

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    He was? I thought he had bought the clowns by then. So did the Rooney's ever say anything about it or was his stock so low they didn't even address it?
     
  20. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-jimmy-haslam-explanation-nfl-owners/2349771/
     
  21. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    and you can have all the glory 6. I posted it because of all the threads going on about who does what in the drafting process this year. a refresher if you will. thanks for doing it but the main site had it for anyone to see last year.:cool:
     
  22. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    By Scott Brown | ESPN.com


    Here is the second part of the Pittsburgh Steelers' projected offensive starters in 2015 and how they were rated coming out of high school. Only three of the 11 starters overall received higher than a three-star ranking from Rivals.com, and two of those were on the offensive line. Here is a look at the line, as well as tight end Heath Miller.

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    Miller: One of the best tight ends in Steelers' history actually signed with the University of Virginia to play quarterback as SuperPrep's No. 15 overall player in talent-rich Virginia. Miller played tight end on the scout team while redshirting in 2001 and stayed at the position. He won the Mackey Award, given to the top tight end in the county, in 2004, becoming the first ACC player to attain that honor.

    OT Kelvin Beachum: One of the Steelers' best late-round finds in recent history was also lightly regarded coming out of Mexia High School in Texas in 2007. Rivals.com gave Beachum, the Steelers' starting left tackle, a two-star rating. The 2012 seventh-round draft pick did not appear among ESPN RecruitingNation's top 100 guards or tackles and signed with SMU.

    OT Marcus Gilbert: Gilbert was one of three tackles from Florida who were among ESPN RecruitingNation's top 10 players at the position in 2006. Gilbert, the Steelers' starting right tackle, was the ninth-rated tackle nationally by ESPN and a four-star recruit, according to Rivals.com. He signed with Florida and started 27 of 53 career games in Gainesville.

    G Ramon Foster: Foster signed with the University of Tennessee in 2004 as a Rivals.com three-star recruit. He started three seasons in Knoxville after redshirting as a freshman and made the Steelers as an undrafted free agent in 2009. Foster has started 71 of 86 regular-season games he has played for the Steelers.

    G David DeCastro: ESPN RecruitingNation rated DeCastro as the seventh-best center coming out of Bellevue High School in Washington in 2008 and Rivals.com had him as a three-star recruit. DeCastro moved to guard after redshirting his first season at Stanford and eventually blossomed into a consensus first-team All-American. The Steelers' starting right guard -- and 2012 first-round pick -- has established as one of the anchors of the offensive line.

    C Maurkice Pouncey: He and his twin brother, Mike, were ESPN RecruitingNation's No. 9 and No. 16 guards, respectively, in 2007 coming out of Lakeland High School in Florida. Maurkice Pouncey, a four-star Rivals.com recruit, became the first player at the University of Florida to win the Rimington Trophy. He left Florida after winning the award given to the nation's best center in 2009 and the Steelers took Pouncey in the first round of the 2010 draft. He has since made four Pro Bowls.

    they are ranked PWP and also at some highly regarded all-star games. this kind of explains why coming out of HS that things change to much to spend time on such scouting. :cool:
     
  23. PWP

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    Maybe this is the case now , but it might not always stay that way . Rivals and other HS ranking sites are much better than they where 5 years ago and they will get better and better . Plus as I stated Charter Schools being allowed in the State Playoffs is a game changer . I predict Teams with 5 and 10 nationally ranked guys on 1 Team in the future that's my point.
     
  24. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    But wouldn't it be the case that if a player is a superstar in the making, then we'd all know about him in college (so no need to scout back to HS)?

    So we'd want to be looking at HS players for the late round gems that nobody knows about. Kind of like the Stallworth pick back in the day, when nobody knew him because of the college he was at. But if that's the case, those kind of guys are unlikely to be visible in HS. You'd have to do some serious trawling, serious investment.

    Though I may have missed your point, PWP.
     
  25. blountforcetrauma

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