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I am ready to slap Colbert/front office

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by lloyddestroy, Feb 20, 2015.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Show me the GM that has the midas touch, you can do what you are doing with any team. They look pretty smart for finding one of the best receivers in the 6th rd and a 7th rd starting LT, those late rounds are much harder to predict then the early ones.

    They've also been to 3 SB's in the last 10 years. Overall, yeah, I'd say they are pretty smart and know more what they are doing then don't.
     
  2. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    lol. you forget most people around here want us to be like the lions and browns. we have a bunch of idiots running the show
     
  3. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I was talking about this draft.

    We've skipped talent at every position in the last ten years. That tends to happen when you have a limited number of picks and no benefit of hindsight.:smiley1:
     
  4. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Take it easy Tommy! LOL!
     
  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I amuse you?
     
  6. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    It's just...the way you tell the story...
     
  7. freakfontana

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    by the way

    JAMES HARRISON IS NOT RETIRING

    :lolol::lolol::lolol:
     
  8. lloyddestroy

    lloyddestroy Well-Known Member

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    I know, I know, 3 SBs in 6 years, yada, yada, yada. But that is already ancient history. That team was not created in recent drafts. And for every Beachum pick, I can show you endless OL bombs: Adams and Gilbert were two horrid 2nd round picks. Their refusal to give any priority to CB is going to kill our chances of a Super Bowl. Jarvis Jones is looking bleak. I am not so sure Shazier is going to be the star they were so sure he was going to be.
     
  9. steel1031

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    wait a minute. everyone was thrilled with adams if I remember right. he was the steal of the entire draft. I remember weeks up to the draft. people on this board were saying they didn't care what he done he was a stud. especially osu fans.
     
  10. lloyddestroy

    lloyddestroy Well-Known Member

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    At the time, I ASSUMED the Steelers knew what they were doing and, personally, I didn't care about the weed thing. But, apparently, Adams was able to sell the team on himself from driving over to meet them and say he grew up a Steeler fan. You CAN'T afford to miss out on 2nd round picks, as they did BOTH with Adams and Gilbert. It has hurt us, and continues to hurt us. Apparently, they are going to play the "pretend an OL draft pick was good" even when everyone can see they stink. They did the same thing with Colon, Essex, Kemo, Simmons: Even though we all saw their play suck, they kept starting them, not wanting to admit they were wrong to draft them.
     
  11. freakfontana

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    this ..
    i hope munchak will solve the problem as soon as possible
     
  12. SteelTerp

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    Food for thought: ESPN released analytics rankings and it appears that the Steelers have invested in infrastructure that Tomlin and Colbert are not into. We rank ahead of just the Rams, Titans, Jets, Skins and Chargers.

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  13. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Ancient history? Think you have us confused with the Jets or somebody :lolol:

    We've been to 3 SB's in the last 10 years, the most recent of which was 2011 and won the last one in 2009. Most fans would give their left nut for that. And Colberts been the GM for all of that.

    And while Adams has been a bust, Gilbert has not, he graded out positive for 2014 and continues to get better. Steelers line was ranked 8th last year, how awful could he be.

    DD - hit
    Pouncey - hit
    Beachum - hit
    Gilbert - I wont say "hit" yet but much better than you are giving him credit for and next season will be even better under Munch.
    Adams - Miss.

    Not bad pickings in my book.

    As I said in my OP to you, I can go through every team and do what you are doing, teams don't hit on every pick, not even close, there are far more that don't make it then do.
     
  14. steel1031

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    I would like to challenge anyone to look at 31 other teams and find an organization who has hit on every 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick in past 5 years. its a lot of research and that is why I aint doing it.lol It just don't happen
     
  15. freakfontana

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    beachum i s great for a 7rd pick is not a dominant left tackle
    gilbert is a back up at best . then if you are saying they are serviceable i agree but spending two second round pick on ot and came UP with two serviceable guys .. is not HIT to me .. then comes the lb with the excetion of timmons , what we have a group of slightly above average guys .. not to mention the secondary ..

    maybe i'm spoiled but my standards are little higher .... am i wrong ?
     
  16. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    lol, I was thinking the along the same lines, way too much research.

    No, Beach isnt dominant but as you said, a great find for the 7th round, that is tremendous scouting, you have to give them high marks for drafting him.

    And I said Gilbert wasn't a hit, yet, but I think he will be. Munch said last year that Gilbert is entering the period where lineman "get it" and he showed that last season, I suspect he will be even better this year.
     
  17. Steel_Elvis

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    So, I often get frustrated with some of the moves that we make (Cam Thomas anyone?). When I get really ticked I have to force myself to look at all 32 teams and ask the question "if we part ways with Colbert, who do we bring in?" That usually makes me take a step back from the brink (or the original poster's slap). I don't think we have a great front office, but it's not awful either. If we did make a move, there's a pretty good chance that things could get worse and not better.

    I will say this though: Colbert was much better drafting 1st round talent when he was paired with Cowher. The Colbert/Tomlin pairing is a bit less steady with 1st round picks. In the 3rd round, they just flat out stink.
     
  18. freakfontana

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    i agree we can be worst but if you are happy to be average we will never improve . this draft and fre agency couple with the tough schedule will clear a lot of what level we are now and remember till we have ben we need to try to be better as much as possible
     
  19. steel1031

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    I think its funny. we had a running back who led the league in yards from scrimmage and a qb that tied for league lead in passing and we are complaining about olineman. beachum is not the best in the league but neither are 30 other guys. gilbert is not the best right tackle but watch the tape of the first game against Baltimore and then the last one against them. he improved a ton. this is the first season in tomlins tenure that the oline has stayed healthy. I think we are fine there. just need some depth
     
  20. freakfontana

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    at the moment we have no depth we have no secondary we have one proven lb (timmons ) and two average ot that were destroyed in the playoffs and an average guard ..a lot of things has to happen if we want to be contender , if we want be one and done we could be ok
     
  21. steel1031

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    I agree with your assessment of the defense and depth. I wasn't talking about that. I just don't think that the oline is a major issue when it comes to the starters. they played very well this year. imo especially late in year. not saying they cant improve. I just hate moving pieces around again. they seem to be coming together
     
  22. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    Yep.

    The o-line has looked the best it has done for the past 7-8 years. Admittedly, that's not much of a comparison to make, but still.

    The line that got destroyed in the play-offs was also capable for thrashing the same team earlier in the season, as well as some other very good defences.

    When consistency is the issue, you adjust small pieces of the puzzle, and the rest comes from coaching, preparation, conditioning, and mental toughness. We could do with improvements at Tackle, for sure, as well as depth, like Freak says. But we definitely can't reach at that position... the Adams pick should have taught us that.

    That's for the o-line. I think we could do with 2 good DB picks, though I maintain safety is the main concern over and above CB. Two DBs and an OLB coming out of somewhere in rounds 1-4 will probably keep me happy.
     
  23. freakfontana

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    yes , i have faith in munchak ..
     
  24. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    I have wondered this for some time, a real head scratcher if you will.
     

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