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Ben & Steelers Negotiating Extension - Per Yahoo Sports

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steel_Elvis, Feb 11, 2015.

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  1. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    He can, but he doesn't have to. He can stay in Pitt and still get full value.

    But really, the salary cap is what $120mil per team per yr. Let's say Ben's fair market value is $22mil/yr. He ain't gonna take $15mil and be paid less than Cutler or Dalton. So he gives the home town discount and takes $20 mil. Wow! The team has less than 2% more money to spent.

    That's nice, but it doesn't get you a top CB, or a top pass rusher. It covers an unexpected injury to let's you make a late season trade to fill for an injury. It helps but my math says says it doesn't plug any major holes.

    Cap experts, feel free to tell me where I'm wrong.
     
    AFan, Feb 11, 2015
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  2. freakfontana

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    the cap should be 140 , depends how the deal is structured a lot of possibilities ... they will find a a way
     
    freakfontana, Feb 11, 2015
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  3. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Fortunately, It's a pretty big bank.
     
    jeh1856, Feb 11, 2015
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  4. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Actually, I think I need to read it on pot ;)
     
    Steel_Elvis, Feb 11, 2015
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  5. contract

    contract Well-Known Member

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    IMO we shouldn't extend Ben this offseason. There is simply no benefit to it other than for the 2015 cap ... and there are other more prudent ways to fix that. Let Ben play out his deal, clear the books, and then figure out whether it's best to franchise him or re-sign him long term next offseason.
     
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  6. contract

    contract Well-Known Member

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    2018
     
    contract, Feb 11, 2015
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  7. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Nah, let's nail this down now. I think it'd be too much of a distraction for Ben and the team if he goes into his final contract year without a deal.
     
    JackAttack 5958, Feb 11, 2015
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  8. contract

    contract Well-Known Member

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    He's financially secure. He's dealt with the distraction that comes with the Super Bowl 3 times, and well as with the following Super Bowl hangovers. He's dealt with head coach and OC changes and losing top WRs one after another. I don't think there's any need to worry about distractions. If anything it may increase his focus since he would literally be playing for his lunch.

    Oh yeah ... and then there was the rape allegations, the suspension, and the eating an Oldsmobile with his face.
     
    contract, Feb 11, 2015
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  9. darcrav

    darcrav Well-Known Member

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    SO

    if I am reading this correctly

    Big Ben is going to drag the FO into a secured area and rape the living sh%t out of them ,the team , the fans for years to cum?
     
    darcrav, Feb 11, 2015
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  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    could be he's waiting for the other 52 guys to give the team a discount first.:shrug: :smiley1::cool:
     
    mac daddyo, Feb 12, 2015
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  11. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I just don't see why we would spend that money on Ben when we already have Landry Jones.
     
    Thigpen82, Feb 12, 2015
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  12. SC Gamecock

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    One major factor here is Ben's wife isn't worth $300 million...
     
    SC Gamecock, Feb 12, 2015
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  13. 58stillers

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    I know all these guys push and push for the biggest contracts so they can take care of "me me me me", but I'd like to hear more stories about guys that say "hey how about this reasonable offer.... now go out and get me some better support players with that discount". I would like to think, once completing a $100M contract (not sure of actual pay out, but even at 50%..... 50M, he can realize that he is on the wrong side of his career productive years.

    Unfortunately for Ben, he can't really compare his next contract to any of the big $$ recent QB's, I mean when was his last playoff WIN? I'd love for Ben to retire a Steeler, but don't want the franchise to suffer long after because of some salary cap nightmare in the future.
     
    58stillers, Feb 12, 2015
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  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He just had his best season to date. Flacco got paid and its not hurting the Rats from competing.

    Steelers aren't going to pay him some ridiculous contract, he'll get his market value and the team will be fine.
     
    Blast Furnace, Feb 12, 2015
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  15. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    That is an awful idea. If we franchise him he costs us 22+ million each year against the cap. IF we extend him now he gets paid well and we save money against the cap. You have to remember important terms like guaranteed money when it comes to contracts.
     
    strummerfan, Feb 12, 2015
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  16. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    What"s the over/under on 100 mill?

    I am reading a 6 year deal is in the works, mind boggling.My preference
    4yrs 85 mill 40 upfront?Is something wrong withe site,us old guys can't read this small stuff?
     
    Wardismvp, Feb 13, 2015
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  17. contract

    contract Well-Known Member

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    I never proposed franchising him every year ... or even any year. I said allow him to play out his current contract and then decide what to do.
     
    contract, Feb 13, 2015
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  18. aces4me

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    Regardless of what you think of Ben's game the Steelers could not find a QB of his skill on the market at any price. When you have a super bowl quality QB you pay him what he needs regardless because you can never find his replacement on the market.
     
    aces4me, Feb 13, 2015
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  19. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    jeh1856, Feb 13, 2015
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  20. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    It will be interesting to see how it's structured. I'm looking at the top QB contracts, and the structures are vastly different. Some have large signing bonuses (Brees, Flacco, Rodgers, Romo), and others have little or no signing bonus, but have high salary guarantees (P. Manning, Cutler). I do think we're looking at around 5 year, 110 million in new money, and I think it will be structured so that Ben sees most or all of that money. That means that if it's structured in a way that keeps his 2015 cap hit largely the same, he'll average 22 million against the cap for 2016 - 2020 - maybe starting at 20 and escalating to 24. I think that's manageable.
     
    Steel_Elvis, Feb 13, 2015
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  21. freakfontana

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    bouchette say somebody told him it
    will be longer than 5 years
     
    freakfontana, Feb 13, 2015
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  22. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    look out!!! I have a good friend who covers the falcons. he has "connections" with some people in Pittsburgh.lol he said he is hearing ben will be the 2nd highest paid qb in the league. I have no idea who is 1st or what they make
     
    steel1031, Feb 13, 2015
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  23. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    There are different ways to measure "highest paid." I think annual average is usually used as the metric for comparison, but that doesn't necessesarily mean squat if there's not a lot guaranteed. If Ben will be the 2nd highest paid QB when he signs, that may not be all that bad. Usually when a franchise QB gets paid, he resets the market. Rodgers has the highest average at 22 million. Ryan is 2nd at 20.75. I was assuming the new deal would be a tick above Rodgers' contract. If it's less, cool.
     
    Steel_Elvis, Feb 14, 2015
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  24. freakfontana

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    it depends on the structure if the big money are in 4/5/6 years he can be restructure then or termined .. the guarentees is important
     
    freakfontana, Feb 14, 2015
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  25. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    if you look at the contracts, the real franchise QBs have a lot of guaranteed dollars. Heck, even Cutler has over 50 million guaranteed and he is no franchise QB. A guy like Ben does not have to settle for a Kaepernick type of contract. If you're thinking Ben will agree to a contract where the big money is all in unguaranteed base salary in years 4-6, you're going to be disappointed.
     
    Steel_Elvis, Feb 14, 2015
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