Is Belichick now in the Chuck Noll level?

Well Tomlin stepped on the field on live tv. Who knows how many people have been suspended for juicing? Teams do things to get advantages all the time. It has not even been proven that the pats had balls that were deflated. It is still ultimately conjecture at this point. If they've been playing with deflated balls and it made a huge difference Eli should be a qb that has lost two Super Bowls instead of won them. If they are still cheating it isn't yielding much results is what I'm saying. The same goes for the falcons and the clowns. However, the teams that have known juicers have won the Super Bowl in the last few years. It's just what is called "selective moral outrage" to drop the hammer on one group for doing it and not the other. Most Steelers fans are just predisposed to not like the pats for whatever reason. I know a lot of Steelers fans that can't stand them and I actually didn't like Brady and Bill until the Spygate thing started and they proved they didn't need to cheat and they were actually legit. Although I did like them when they had Drew Bledsoe and Curtis Martin when I was a kid and thought they had cool unis.

 

I agree COMPLETELY with everything said here.
What Pete Rose did is nothing compared to actually cheating. And Pete is BANNED from baseball AND the Hall of Fame. The 3 other SuperBowls the Patriots won SHOULD have asterisk beside them. As far as this DeflateGate- Bellicheck should be fined and suspended for the 2015 season. If Brady is found complicit, he should be suspended too.

 

I don't think you understand what spin is. Everything that I said was a fact. The pats won the super bowl AFTER being suspected of using doctored balls. If doctored balls made a difference then, by your logic, shouldn't they have won the Super Bowls they lost? How is it spin to say that the hawks and rats had known juicers on their team and they won the Super Bowl? That is a fact that is indisputable and there's no spin to that at all. It was never proven that the pats taped the rams and the reporter that even reported it actually retracted the story and apologized. Are you actually disputing that? Do you consider Tomlin stepping on the field to be cheating? Do you consider juicing to be cheating? If you don't consider them cheating do you at least consider them dubious? Why are the pats "cheaters" and other teams don't get that label? That's a question that I would like for everybody to answer. It's hypocritical to say one party has no integrity for cheating but then completely disregard other cases.

 

So when exactly did the pats film the Rams, Eagles, and Panthers? I mean wouldn't they have had to have played them earlier and filmed them and then stole their signals and then used them in the Super Bowl against them to go on and beat them by field goals? Did they play them earlier in the year and tape them and then use the signals in the Super Bowl? Do you not see how these conspiracy theories fall apart when you ask really simple questions? So when did they get their signals?

 

I thought they filmed the rams walk thru? the thing is they could send a flunky to anyone ones games with a camera. nobody will ever know what they have because it was destroyed which by the way speaks volumes to me

 

That was a rumor about the walkthrough. The tape of that never surfaced and it was just alleged that it happened by that guy that had an ax to grind. The writer that published the story retracted it and apologized. I think it is a complete grassy knoll reach to say that Bill had people infiltrating stadiums to film people that he had no idea he would later be playing in the Super Bowl. To try and illustrate how crazy that would be I will use Mr. Burns and Smithers...

Mr Burns: (steepling his fingers together and watching espn) Smithers, who is that dashing young dapper throwing yon football?
Smithers: Why that's Jake Delhomme sir.
Mr Burns: (steepling fingers) Hmmm, I want you to start a file on him and his signals by going rogue and posing as an NFL Films associate and bring the tape back to me where I will analyze and memorize it in my super secret dungeon of espionage so when I meet him in the Super Bowl I will be able to beat him by a field goal. And while you're at it do it to the rest of the league too...except for Cleveland of course. (laughs maniacally)
Smither: Yes sir. (then falls through trap door in Mr Burns' office floor)

 

You may be right TTF.... Senior members converted to Patsy fanboys? Dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria. Starting to wonder if BFT and Jack are more conflicted than Bruce Jenner?!

Of course there is no way a black and gold bleeding Steelers fan - that lived through the Noll era; would even entertain the thought that they are at the same level. Belicheat is an unrepentant profligate rule breaker winning his "game of inches" through marginal creations of illegal unethical advantage. One coach helped build the league's integrity.... the other destroyed the very spirit of the game. Only one of these men is legit and worthy. The other is suspect in every action and should be banned in disgrace w/every title stripped.


"Just my opinion... and I could be wrong."

 

It was alleged that they filmed the Steelers and Chargers too.
The Pats didn't supply the balls for the SBs.

 

But was it ever alleged that they filmed the people they beat in the Super Bowls? Also "alleged" is just that. It was also "alleged" that Ben raped a woman in a hotel room. I'm just saying that "alleged" and "guilty" are two different things. I'm just curious when they filmed the people that they beat in the Super Bowl. I just don't see how filming people that you are only gonna play one every few years or so is really that beneficial. It's like the wise old farmer said "advice is something you only get after you need it". That's why I don't think spygate was a big deal.

 

That Bruce Jenner thing is hilarious. Also nice Ghostbusters reference. It should be rather obvious that I would appreciate that.

 

No, it was alleged that Bellycheat filmed the Steelers and Chargers before the AFC championship games.
It's also been alleged that O.J. killed his wife.
Sometimes alleged DOES mean you're guilty.

 

No dude OJ was found not guilty. So he didn't do it. LOL. You mean he filmed them like earlier in the season or during warmups?

 

Wow! I'm out.

 

No I'm saying when was it alleged that he used tapes against them. I hope you understand that I didn't think OJ was innocent. I didn't, don't, and never will. Like he filmed them about 15yrs ago earlier and then beat them in the AFC Championship game or that he filmed a walkthrough? I wasn't sure about the way you phrased that.