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So the Ravens can be beat without a running game

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JPP, Jan 11, 2015.

  1. JPP

    JPP Well-Known Member

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    Yesterday's game pretty much shows that while losing Bell was huge, essentially the Steelers lost to the Ravens not because of Dick Lebeau or the defense, but because Tomlin, Haley and Ben can't develop and execute a game plan as well as Belicheck, McDaniel and Brady despite the Steelers having a better set of receivers against an absolutely putrid defensive backfield in Baltimore.
     
  2. freakfontana

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    the pats use the dink and dunk as their running game
     
  3. JPP

    JPP Well-Known Member

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    :this!:

    So the Steelers couldn't have went with 4WR sets (of course Lance Moore was inactive) but could have when with Brown, Bryant, Wheaton and Moore with Heath and tried the same thing?
     
  4. Jim90

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    they had Brady nuf said, he listens better than Ben
     
  5. JPP

    JPP Well-Known Member

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    So despite everyone blaming the defense, maybe the defense wasn't the culprit. I mean, the Pats D allowed about the same number of points as the Steelers D, the Pats D allowed more than 100 more yards of offense, the Pats D allowed a rushing average of more than 2.5 yards per carry more than the Steelers D did, the Pats D allowed the Ravens to win the TOP stat (Steelers had more than 10 minutes of TOP), yet the Steelers not only didn't win, but weren't even close. Flacco's QBR was essentially the same vs the Pats as the Steelers.

    Maybe, just maybe, the Steeler offense failed??
     
  6. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Definitely. The Steelers offense absolutely failed. That Pats billion dollar D struggled.
     
  7. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    Listen, I'm the first to say Ben had a really bad game, but you can't put the loss solely on Ben or anyone else involved in the offence. It's not specifically on one coach either, although since Tomlin is head coach, every aspect of the team is on his shoulders.

    Our execution was bad, especially on offence. The game plan seemed good early on, but for whatever reason, we got away from what was working. Who knows why that happened, but it did. Some plays were questionable, other plays that seemed likely to be effective weren't called. Decision making by Ben was poor. Blocking by the Oline was bad. Our secondary played bad. Our Dline was horrible at times, then really good at other times. We weren't good enough, not even close
     
  8. lewisha

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    I prefer couldn't keep up. Tom Brady is elite, Ben is top notch, but not elite. Also, Ravens had 2 interceptions, so that may have had something to do with it. Also coming up with that 4 offensive lineman/ 1 ineligible player scheme was genius.
     
  9. JPP

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    But the Pats struggling D was picked up by their offense. The Steeler D, actually by comparison, played better than the Pats D and well enough to win had the Steeler offense showed up. Let's not forget that Steeler D put up a zero in the 1st quarter and the Steeler offense didn't capitalize.
     
  10. AFan

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    the offense definitely didn't do enough, it scored 15pts. If I told you that was all they were going to get before the game, how confident would you have been about a Steeler win? Especially knowing that the D has routinely given up 20-30 pts against some of weakest teams in the NFL.

    They needed to score more, the needed to be more aggressive. Why they didn't go 5 wide more and test a weakened Balt secondary, I will never understand.
     
  11. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I would have said that the chance for success was near or at 0.

    The offensive game plan was not very good, couple that with poor execution, and the scoreboard looks better than expected in the end.
     
  12. JPP

    JPP Well-Known Member

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    Exactly my point. Everyone killing the Steeler D puzzles me. Was the Steeler D great? Not hardly but they played well enough to win against that team (let's not forget one of the Ravens TDs was set up by the Steeler offense turning it over deep in their own territory).

    The Steeler offense was putrid considering the team they were playing and the awful secondary that they were putting out there. I don't care about the season and all the offensive records and numbers. In the game that mattered most, the offense, particularly the QB, was terrible with everything else being considered.
     
  13. SteelerJJ

    SteelerJJ Well-Known Member

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    Belichik out-coached Hairball with the last second ineligible thing and Flacco's' throw it up and get PI' backfired when Torrey Smith made a Mike Wallace like effort to break up the INT. Lots of stuff goes into wins and losses but the Steelers loss was mainly because the O and D lines got their butts kicked.
     
  14. BobbyBiz

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    Huh?
    what does this mean?
     
  15. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    Clearly it means he has bigger ears
     
  16. DSteelerCT

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    The Pats scored TD, Steelers FG.
     
  17. JAD

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    :this!: Go 5 wide and pass every down. Should not have even tried to run just like the Patriots did.
     
  18. Rush2seven

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    While it is easy to say the Steelers should have played as the Pats played, we must remember the Pats weren't missing 1/3rd of their offense. I was upset in the 3rd quarter when the Steelers were still trying to run the ball. They were down, and the running game was just putting them in 3rd and long.

    2007 we saw the same thing. Tomlin drafted ILB in 1st round. Wasted a mid round draft pick (Sepulveda). Blew up Baltimore during the regular season. FWP, the RB was injured contributing to the Steelers being one and done in the playoffs. However, the next year, they won the Superbowl.
     
  19. PWP

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    I posted the game plan before the game and Haley and Ben refused to listen.lol.. Our WR speed is a lot greater than what New England has .
     
  20. JAD

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    Agreed, that's is what I am saying, we all new we weren't able to run against the Ravens. So why did we continue to try to run at all in that case and just waist time of the clock. I still think though that we relied too heavy on Bell all season, he played great, but you got to be a little more deversified, because teams can stop one thing if they want to.
     

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