Next year defense :-(

agreed. seattles defense is good. is he a genius or just have the horses to make it good? same as DL. it will be interesting to watch. if it is butler, he's been coaching a 3-4, but played in a 4-3. I personally don't care if it's a 2-9 as long as it works. LOL

 

Only quote I know about is the Parcells one about buying the groceries. Can't think of any famous Walsh quote. But just to clarify, you don't see an issue with ownership not allowing Tomlin to hire his own assistants?

 

If in fact that is the case, then yeah that sucks not being able to pick your staff... But then again, maybe the Rooneys have a better eye for it? Which would make TOMLIN an unnecessary HC

 

Thought that was part of being a HC.

 

but it's butler ?

 

No, it's not a reflection on Tomlin, unless it's a trust issue. Is ownership hiring the DC because they are heavily involved in the defence and would do so with anyone as head coach, or is it a matter of them not trusting Tomlin enough to make the appropriate move with regards to assistants. If it's the latter, that is a reflection on Tomlin and I think the ownership need to consider hiring a head coach they have enough faith in to make the required moves. No sense keeping around a coach you don't have enough faith in to do the job. It seemed obvious with the BA/Haley fiasco that Tomlin fully planned on bringing BA back, he told him as much, then he got overruled. The ownership needs to trust the HC more than that

 

Never said he needed a scape goat for this year, it was more of a general statement. I don't judge the success of the team based solely on their record though. For us not to show up against the Ravens was completely unacceptable. For us to look like a pop warner team at times this season is also unacceptable. I understand good teams are going to lose against bottom feeders at times, but we simply disappear far too often considering the talent that we have. We may have been 11-5, but just like the year that we got Tebow'd, the record doesn't tell the true story. We are still far too inconsistent.

 

IMO, defense is built around LBs...period. We used to be pretty stacked at the position, but right now our OLB situation is pretty dire. Last year, we had issues heading into the draft at Dline. Tuitt and McCullers now make up a good deal of our future plans at Dline.

We could hire the very best DC in the world and if you give him junk to work with, expect the same in performance. I expect Butler to put in some new twists which will allow this team to excel once he gets the right guys.

 

Is it really junk though? I mean we've used a lot of draft picks on LB'ers over the years and so far not a single one of them have lived up to expectations. We'll see what happens with JJ and Shazier, but everyone else just underwhelmed. Is it really all those guys not being good enough despite many being drafted fairly high, or are we just not getting good enough coaching?

Some on here don't give coaching enough credit. Coaching is extremely important in football

 

Lets bring back this thread same time next year, you heard it here first Steelers defense OUT of top 20, period!!!!!!

 

I will take that bet.lol

 

Had he had that game plan against the pack a few some months earlier, we have #7! No doubt

 

That reads more like a fact than what it is, speculation, & I doubt it's true. I bet Tomlin has plenty of influence on ALL things Steelers. It's probably more of a collaborative effort with all involved if truth be told.

 

Done deal my friend

 

never been over seas so you fly me over for a pint?lol

 

I think you are making the assumption here that Tomlin didn't want this move in order to get to Butler and that he hasn't already has some say in the fact that promises were given. Tomlin may have been the one who was pushing for the promises to be made in the first place.

 

Im another that wanted him gone. I've wanted him gone since the Tebow debacle but I was still sad and a little shocked when it came across my phone. I have the utmost respect for Lebeau and everything he gave us. But it was just time for a change. Good, bad or indifferent.

 

How do you know it hasn't been Tomlin pushing for Butler the whole time? It's pretty well documented that you hate Tomlin, but the leaps you make to discredit him are pretty sad.

 

Whoa, try reading the whole thread before you bash me. I never said the DC would be Butler, but if it is, I never once said Tomlin doesn't want him. I never made any such claim. My posts were in response to others post who asked a question (ie if Butler is hired and it isn't Tomlin's hire). In fact, I mentioned that Butler would be tomlin's hire. So try reading first