Question about our coordinators.

Mendy and FWP are better than Bell? Ward is better than Brown? Really?

Yeah, he lost. But his quarterback managed to throw for 4 times as many yards and 1/3 the interceptions. Which should be impossible since according to you Arians is stupid and Haley is a genius.

 

Arians should have his initials changed from BA to BS, he blew so much smoke up these fans rears he had them believing he was going to be the 1 seed through out the playoffs even after he lost his starting QB and the backup: After all of his bragging he went on to lose 4 of his last six games to the likes of the falcons niners and is now a wildcard playing a 7 win panther team which is favored by 6 1/2 points over his 11-5 team, I thought Buddy Ryan was the biggest BSer to coach the cards, but I think BA has out done him....

 

Yeah, BA is going to show the world he's not a good coach. He's relying on a great defence, but that won't last forever. His offensive woes will keep him from going far in the playoffs, and will likely eventually keep him out of the playoffs. The true BA will show his true colours soon.

 

Nobody said the line has done nothing. Now you're the one spinning things. All I'm saying is the Oline is still weaker than most people think. Bell has made a lot out of nothing, but despite his talent, he has 7 games with a ypc under 4. That is significant and it shows that we don't run the ball all that well. With weapons like Brown, Bryant, Heath and Wheaton, on top of the receiving skill of Bell, there's no way in hell he should have that many games with poor rushing numbers. It shows a lack of good blocking from the Oline. We've seen some improvement, but not as much as some think. If you want to put all that improvement on Munchak and none on Bell, fine, but the little improvement we've seen still isn't nearly good enough

 

So if the Steelers lose tonight with a franchise qb does that mean that we've seen Haley's true colors?

Wait, I know the answer to that already. Several of you will be whining about how Tomlin didn't have the Steelers prepared.

 

I think it shows more about Tomlin than Haley. I really don't care if Haley stays or goes, other than wanting to retain the offensive system and not start all over. I have no allegiance to Haley, I just think he's a far better playcaller than BA ever was.

 

You forgot one important question. What did the defense do schematically. Did they sell out to stop the run?

 

Even his defense has went off the rails in his last two games giving up over 200 yards rushing in each game, today if they don't stop the panthers strong running game it's turn out the lights, and I don't expect them to win this game.....

 

Oh come on Blast, when I said no holes to run through, I clearly didn't mean absolutely 0 holes to run through all season long. Surely you didn't think I was being literal when I used the word no. Of course Bell did create all his rushing yards all on his own. I didn't expect anyone to take that statement so literally.

As for your question. Those 7 games are throughout the season, with 3 of them coming in our last 3 games. I'll use Baltimore for example, since they have a far less talented RB (and it's not even close), but I think they run the ball quite well, plus they basically had the same schedule as us. These are the teams Bell had under 4 YPC against and I'll also list Forsett's numbers for comparison.

Tampa - Forsett 7.93 ypc
Indy - Forsett 7 ypc
NYJ - Baltimore didn't play them
Baltimore - Obviously can't compare this one
Atlanta - Forsett 4.13 ypc
KC - Baltimore didn't play them
Cinci - Forsett 6.36 ypc and 4 ypc for both games

We're not getting very good blocking from our Oline and I think our inconsistent rushing numbers prove this. I also know what I see with my own eyes, our Oline is still a weak point

 

Mr. Potato Head! LOL!!!!!!!!!! Dude, I don't care HOW people feel about BA that's really funny! If he were to be a toy his accessories would be a a bubble screen and an empty backfield on 3rd and inches. LOL!

 

Yes. It was when he was the WR coach in 06. I put that SQUARELY on BA. LOL! We did go 9-7 with him though as OC.

 

Our d has laid some eggs against some pedestrian offenses as well. So if we don't score a lot it's on Haley but if we give up game winning touchdowns against teams that wind up with 2 or 3 wins that is also on Haley? But when BA was here and we had a truly elite d that held teams to low scores consistently, created turnovers, had pick 6's, fumbles returned for tds, that is because of BA's scheme? LOL. I'm confused.

 

Like I said before when the 2 OC's first took over, BA 2007, Haley 2012, BA had the better players. When Haley came in Bell wasn't here and Mendy was on his way out. I wasn't comparing Ward to Brown like you are , the more fair comparison would be Holmes vs Brown, and Holmes was the better player for BA. ( for 2007, than Brown was for Haley 2012)

BA had a 9-7 record here too, that's close enough to 8-8. So Haley had 1 more bad season than BA, and Haley didn't have a D to bail him out like BA did. If BA started out with the same D as Haley did, BA would've been long gone.

 

I would blame Lebeau and Tomlin for putting Troy back in

 

Yeah I was just making a more general statement about how losing has been as much of a "team effort" this year as winning has. I was just saying by the logic that has been used in these coordinator threads it seems you would also have to say that in the games where we played bad defensively you would have to blame it on DL if it's Haley or BA's fault when we play bad offensively. Or when we ran the ball good some might say that it was because of Munch but if we ran it bad some still seem to JUST be blaming Haley for that. I was just trying to bring out the fact that it's a total team effort one way or the other and when we win there's no one guy that gets the credit and when we lose there's no one guy that gets the blame. If that makes any sense. LOL.

 

You could put a lot of the blame on Ben for offense if he isn't on his game,, Haley isn't the one throwing int's into triple coverage, or throwing the ball over the receivers heads or throwing them to the bugs on the field.

 

Apples to oranges though. You're talking about a completely new offence, with new route trees, new play calls, new protection packages, new terminology, a whole new playbook, etc. That's a big deal and not to be taken lightly. Munch may very well be the best line coach in the NFL, but replacing a line coach doesn't involve any of those things I just listed. Our entire offensive identity is a result of our OC. A new OC can result in a whole new identity.

As I said, Bill Belichek could be our line coach and I would much rather find a new line coach than a new OC, if I had to pick one. It's just easier to replace a line coach than an OC, regardless of who they are

 

Agree 100%! They BOTH deserve credit. It just continues to amaze me that people want to discount what Haley has done with our offense this season.

 

I guess I'm extra amazing then because I fit into both camps. lol

Actually that's not really true. I don't think Haley is a genius, although when my dog took a dump on my pillow the other night, I am pretty sure it was because of Mike Tomlin.