Steelers best OC?

I did like Wiz play calling in the playoff run the year we won the Super Bowl with him as OC. He completely fooled all three playoff teams on route to the Super Bowl. We were a conversative running team with Betis and he open it up passing during the playoffs.

Wiz was good for Ben at that time of Ben's development.


Haley seems to getting much better in making game changes when things are not working. Like going from run to pass and vice verse. Of course he has the players to do that which makes that easier.

Bruce A had some crazy game plains like when he would throw 50 times in a driving wind and snow storm.

 

Hines and Washington were never the explosive game changing receivers that brown has become. Hines was a very good possession receiver, but not someone that requires double teams etc. Unfortunately for heath our olive was so bad his stats suffered.

 

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this is about to get veddy interesting

 

If I'm ridiculous, you're ridiculouser!

All I'll say Ben's game under BA was scramble around until somebody gets open. Haley has added discipline and control which is working well and will prolong Ben's career.

Now, if you'll excuse me I've got to go hit my second shot. I hit the fairway with my drive which is unusual today!

 

go get 'em tiger?






two balls one cup

 

He had Wallace, Santonio Holmes who were putting up good #'s too, a younger healthier Ben, and Mendy was doing very well when BA was here, his numbers were very good his 2nd year too. I know if Bell can stay healthy he'll crush what Mendy did in Pitts.

How do you know that it wasn't Haley's offense that turned Brown into the explosive player that he is now? Haley's offense isn't about the bombs like BA's, Brown wasn't being used properly, Brown is more about after the catch, he is more dangerous in the short passing game.

Exactly, now that Haley has more weapons than he did when he first got here, now we know what he can do, he did it in Arizona without a RB.

 

I just don't think you're giving Haley enough credit, Blast. AB is not Julian Edelman but I don't think it's a coincidence that he's thriving in Haley's system. For crying out loud, Jerico Cotchery had 10 TDs in Haley's system. He knows how to get the most out of the talent he has. He's a much better tactician and game strategist than BA ever was whether you acknowledge it or not. BA allowed Ben to play sandlot football which worked well with a young, physically dominant Ben. With an older Ben, Haley's more disciplined and strategic approach is just what the doctor ordered.

I'll make a deal with you, I'll give Tomlin some credit for staying the course and righting the ship if you'll admit that Haley has a lot to do with this offense's success. He's a better OC than BA, PERIOD. (IMHO)

 

and the same can be said that Haley doesn't have the same powerful D that Arians had, from 2007-2011, they were ranked, 1st ,1st 5th, 2nd , and 1st. That's an offensive weapon in itself. If your D is giving you short field to play with, you didn't need the same weapons as Haley does now. 17 points used to win you a lot of games, not in todays game. What Arians had on D, is the same to what Haley has with the offense. The D of the past made BA look good.

 

Haley by far . He is more of a weapon oriented guy he puts his play makers in position to win more than any other OC has done with Ben . He has route trees and designs that guys are either 1 on 1 or wide open if Ben sees it and hits it this Offense explodes ....

 

Just comparing to what he did in Indy, with him there they were ranked 10th, now they're 3rd.

Lucks #'s with BA,,, 23 TD, sacked 41 times, rating 76.5 int 18
BA gone ...38 TD's sacked 26 times, rating 95.4,, INT 16

With the same players, and those same players were probably better than what he had here. ( if you're going to compare to who had what players)

 

BA was not the head coach of Indy, he was the OC that got put into a temporarily HC rule because the coach got sick. That was not BA's system that he developed, it was Pagano's. BA called the plays, just like he does in Arizona, with their crappy offence. The only reason Arizona wins any games is because of their defence. His playcalling is horrid, always was, always will be

 

This. AZ is all about defense.

 

The totals lool all nice and pretty, but when you look a little closer things aren't so impressive
15 points against Atlanta
20 points against the Titans
13 points against the Jets
10 ponts against the Browns
10 points against the Jaguars
6 points against the Ravens

 

Having a great D can make an average OC look good when they don't have very far to go for the points. You give BA todays questionable D back when he was here, and there wouldn't even be any SB runs. Like others have said he's winning in Arizona cus of the Defense. (Coincidence of when he was winning here? )

 

The OCs that won a Super Bowl gets the edge over Haley.

 

Could it be possible that Ben, Bell and Brown have had the success they have had this year partly due to coaching? Maybe they have all benefited from game plans, play calling and a general approach to playing offence that makes the most of their individual talents. Things like spreading the ball around so defenses can't focus on one receiver or developing blocking that allows a patient runner to pick his hole or quick release passing plays that keep the QB off his back. I'd say that is coaching to your players abilities and giving them the best chance to succeed. I'd also say that is exactly what you'd want from OC. So on that basis...Haley, Whiz, BA would be my order.

 

Arians 100%

 

This is why I brought up the Defense, people are saying Arians cus he went to the SB twice with less talent. I'm saying he made it to the SB twice cus of the Defense. Going back to where Blast said BA never had the same type of explosive players all clicking together, the 2011 season would argue that. Wallace and Brown were clicking as was Mendenhall. No SB run that year cus the D was a let down thanks to the stubborn Lebeau. Defense wins, not the average OC's