Charlie Batch Sums it Up Nicely

What part of 10 years of success do you not understand?

 

I get that. And appreciate it.

But...

We've had two consecutive down seasons. Call it rebuilding. Ok, that's fine. But we're about to have our 3rd. And can you sit there and honestly, without homeritis, tell me that we have the pieces in place (rebuilt) that next year is going to be different than what we are seeing now?

That's some serious delusion there, and no amount of condescension from you is going to change that fact.

 

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In today's BTSC, Tomlin got another blistering review.
So I am not a fan overreacting to this painful season. Like many of us, I am confused how we can look great at times, and then lose to so many horrible teams. I guess i am concluding that our talent is lacking but that is a topic for another day.

Today i want to discuss Tomlin. I have been souring on him for the last couple years, and have a serious question: what does he do, and why should we believe he is a good coach?

Does he develop awesome game plans that give us an edge over our opponents? I doubt anyone thinks that.

Does he motivate his team to achieve at high level? Losing to the dregs of the league seems to point to no.

Does he develop and "air of discipline"? Not likely. Too many penalties and blown assignments for me to believe that.

So what does he bring to table? Won a super bowl. Team had a GREAT DEFENSE and an underachieving offense. Defense and Ben's heroics are responsible for that win IMO.

My last straw with Tomlin may be the post game quote from this week:

"The bottom line is we did not have enough cohesion at different points in the game to overcome our weaknesses to secure victory,

WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THIS EVEN MEAN??? We joke about "this weeks tortured cliche from Tomlin". But really. What the hell??

Someone needs to convince me that he is worthy of an NFL head coaching job because I just don't see it..

and this :
listening to cowherd yesterday, he brought up Tomlin, also calling him out, saying that team "is a mess" and that tomlin has to be held accountable

 

You don't seem to grasp what this team has done and still has to do. We've rebuilt the rb's (until releasing blout), the wr's, most of the ol, the dl, the lb, and hopefully the safeties. We still have to rebuild the cb,te etc to go. This isn't something that happens overnight. The only people that are delusional are the people expecting all of that to happen in a couple of drafts. Edit I should have said ilb because the olb hasn't been replaced yet.

Another edit.

I can almost guarantee the people clamoring for Tomlin's head are the same people that predicted big things for this team this year. Which in my eyes is homeritis.

 

I LOVE this!! I heard his Tomlinism as well and was like WTH?? Im not saying slam the team, but at least speak English. If that is how he talks to the players, is it any wonder that no one seems to know what to do on the field?

 

#Typical

A coach uses words with more than two syllables and heads explode due to confusion.

 

We haven't built the WR's. We have 1 proven WR and a bunch of other question marks who have the odd good game then go back to underperforming. Our OL is still pretty good. Our DL is so bad they had to bring Kiesel back. Our LB's haven't proven a thing because they can't stay healthy and James Harrison ended up being our best LB, which is just sad. In fact, I haven't seen many good things out of Spence or JJ yet. Shazier is an unknown. We haven't built our safeties up either. We drafted a guy that can't stay healthy and has proven nothing. The only position we are set at is RB. We need a new TE that can stretch the field, we need a WR to play on the other side of Brown, we need lots of help on the DL and OL. We need LB, CB and S help. We basically need every position, including RB because we wasted another pick on an undersized RB that hasn't panned out

 

See now we're getting down to nuts aND bolts. You see the glass as half empty while I see it as half full. With that being said thanks for makING my argument because you just illustrated how much work it takes to rebuild an entire team. Again, it doesn't happen overnight.

 

GB has been a force since Rodgers started (and they were under Favre too actually). NE is a force every year with Brady. Where ever Manning plays, that team is a SB contender. Teams with franchise QB's like that don't rebuild. They remain competitive every single year because their QB gives them a huge advantage over all the other teams in the league, and their QB's win games for them. If we have that elite QB, which most say we do, then we shouldn't be talking about rebuilding. We should be talking about being in the playoffs and competing for the SB every year. Teams with franchise QB's don't rebuild.

Almost everyone that has been drafted under Tomlin has been a bust. We have basically 4 players that have panned out since 2008, that's it. Everyone else is expendable.

 

Yeah that whole teams with franchise QB don't rebuild is bs. Your argument isn't helped by the fact that both manning and Brady are significantly better qb than ben. Ben is closer to rogers, but not better by any stretch of the imagination. With all the credit you give Ben you're the one suffering from homeritis.

 

on defense we rebuilded anything and that leads to one of the problems tomlin/colbert has .. they drafted poor ,or they are not devoping the rookie well .. on offense we took 2 verygood players bell and brown one good decastro .. and 2 average beachum and gilbert that are playing one of the most important role aside the qb at this rate when the what you call rebuild is finish half of the team
will have to rebuild again .

 

Yeah, we either can't draft or we can't develop, or both. The reason were looking at a total rebuild is because of how many busts we've taken in the draft the last 5 years

 

But what you imply is we still have a team to build and we are getting there. But in today's NFL you cannot build a team dominant at all positions. Free agency, the new 4 year cap on rookies, and the greater capacity to use spread offenses evens the playing field. The Patriots are a juggernaut year in year out not because they are the best at every position, but because they understand it isn't having the best players, it is having the right players who can play in a system or multiple systems and then sprinkling in a dominant player ala Randy Moss in the past or Revis this year.

It is not completely Tomlin's fault, but the Steelers have been wretched the past 5 years they have approached player management. It started with doing extensions for players like Hampton and Farrior and restructuring contracts of guys like Woodley. This has continuously put them in cap hell...something they are finally starting to come out of. Those guys didn't suck, but they were paid far too much. The Patriots or Eagles would have said hit the road Jack and would have been looking around for what they wanted in the draft or as a FA pickup to address the need. The Steelers have spent so much time going back to the well because they cannot seem to draft players who can play competently within their system or they do not find them through free agency because they have no wiggle room to find a good player here and there.

 

That's where coaching, gameplanning, scheming and good QB play come in. Brady was getting murdered the first few weeks of the year. He had no time to do anything. They traded away their best OL and it was hurting them. Then they get embarassed by KC and they haven't looked back since. That OL looks great, but it's the same group of guys that couldn't pass protect earlier this year. They didn't magically get that much better. Brady gets rid of the ball, Ben holds the ball. That is a huge difference why one line looks good and the other doesn't. Our line isn't great by any means, but Ben holds that ball way too long. If he would just throw the damn ball the second the receiver breaks out of the route (or even sooner), then the line would look much better. Instead, he tries to get guys open with the pump fake. I'm so sick and tired of seeing him pump fake and then get sacked right after. The guy isn't situationally aware whatsoever.

 

Actually I think you have it a bit backwards. Right now Rodgers > Manning/Brady >> Ben. Rodger is the best quarterback in the league and probably has been for 2-3 years now, he just doesn't have as much history as those guys.

 

If we are rebuilding, question is Tomlin the right guy to lead us? If we have been rebuilding over the past 3 years, evidence is he may not. I try to envision us letting him got and he getting picked up by another team (which would happen). If he went to a lesser team, I just don't see him having what it takes to take a lesser team and build them into a contender. If that's the case and is what we're asking him to do, we'll be stuck in the same mud until it's proven. How long is too long before we figure that out?

 

Or Brady and Manning audible to something that gives a better protection scheme. I still think Ben is awesome, but the complaint about the O Line has been going on for 10 years now and Ben is the biggest constant. Brady, Manning, and Rodgers can't all have stellar O Lines all of the time.

 

I think the make an ointment for that, don't they?

 

If the best players on the team are still from a coach who has been gone for almost a decade, dont you see the problem with that?

Ben had a bad game, so did a lot of other players. Ben had 1 interception that his receiver looked like a little league outfielder and another one that was batted in the air and caught. Ben's fault for not getting the pass high enough, or the lineman not controlling his man well enough to keep his arms down....or ...or...just maybe a nice play by the D lineman? I agree Ben could have / should have/ would have had 4 or 5 more picks if they could catch, but maybe that was on the reciever too...do you know for sure where the receivers should have been? We have all watched this team for many years, we can all agree that there is a ton of talent on this team. Its on the coaches to bring it out. If they arent getting it done, bring in some new coaches....maybe they can do it!!!

 

I can say... flat out... that AB prevented 2 interceptions for Ben. He was actually ripping the ball out of the DBs' hands. That's how bad Ben's throwing was.

 

Two 6-TD games. Every other game Ben appears to be struggling to put up 2-TDs. The offense can't get the ball close enough for Suisham to get gimme field goals. How many 52-and-53 yard field goals is that man going to have to kick?

 

And in those 10 years has got 2 rings out of 3 dances. His line has constantly been shaky. Ben and his every so often muck it up game isn't the problem. Good teams can bail out their QB. That's the problem... He don't have a good team. He has some pieces on O, enough actually that this O could be very explosive week in and week out but be it injury or brain farts to certain personnel they just can't seem to find or maintain consistency for long periods of time.

The D hasn't been much help. When they aren't being blown off the field, they usually leave the O in bad field position. Special teams constantly leave the O in bad field position with these idiotic penalties on almost every return.

I honestly dont don't think there would be much improvement if we had the other elites taking Ben's snaps... Maybe a smidge but hardly measurable. None of the elites are throwing 6 TDs a week, and it's almost gotten to the point where you have to here just win a nail biter with this D.

i do however think, that if we had a certain coach (as much as I can't stand the guy) that Ben and the Steelers would've had even more to brag about than they already do these last 10 years.

 

Football is a team sport which makes SB wins a poor measuring stick for an individual player. With that being said Ben was awful in 2 of them. It's probably safe to say that we won in spite of him against Seattle. Y'all can blame Mendenhall all you want, but I'll stick with the ELITE QB that gave GB 14 points.