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Emmanuel Sanders OUCH !!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Real steel, Nov 16, 2014.

  1. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    McLeon didn't leave his feet, didn't launch upwards and didn't contact the head or neck area. It was shoulder to shoulder. The rule you quoted does not apply.
     
  2. shaner82

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    Wasn't close to being legal? What rule did it violate? He didn't leave his feet, he didn't launch upwards or launch at all and he didn't hit the head or neck area. It also wasn't PI, watch this video and you'll clearly see the ball gets there right as he hits Sanders.

    This is a perfectly legal hit and was only flagged because it was a big hit. I'm amaze people on this site agree with that flag. Absolutely shocked
     
  3. Blast Furnace

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    What are you talking about man, how is that not a defenseless receiver?
     
  4. Blast Furnace

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  5. blountforcetrauma

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    You are absolutely correct that he didn't launch. His left foot is CLEARLY on the ground. Also he didn't hit him in the head. His right shoulder/bicep connects with Sanders' left shoulder and knocks him backwards. I'd say according to that rule he didn't break it.
     
  6. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Also the call wasn't for PI. It was for unnecessary roughness.
     
  7. shaner82

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    This is the type of contact that is illegal according to that link

    I'm not arguing Sanders was defenceless, of course he was, but it doesn't say you can't hit a defenceless receiver at all.
     
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    According to the link I posted:

    (a) Players in a defenseless posture are:


    (1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass;


    (2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;


    He clearly falls under number 2.
     
  9. blountforcetrauma

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    He should have made what Deion calls a "business decision". LOL. In other words, he should have just said, "sorry peyton but it aint worth losing my head dude". LOL.
     
  10. mac daddyo

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  11. Diamond

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    Hardly a helmet hit, and further more, the safety did his job in breaking up a pass, and whats all this puzzy stuff about defenseless receivers, they wear a helmet and pads just like everybody else, that was a good hit and there should not be a fine as well there shouldn't have been a penalty...
     
  12. shaner82

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    Yes, he sure does. I'm not arguing he was a defenceless receiver. What I"m saying is that the hit wasn't illegal. I quoted the sections of that rule that state what is and isn't a legal hit on a defenceless receiver. It talks about hits to the head or neck and/or launching. Neither of those things happened.

    Nowhere in that rule does it say all hits to defenceless receivers are illegal. You can hit a defenceless receiver, you just can't hit them in the head or neck and you can't launch.
     
  13. shaner82

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    Agree with Manning. His balls float and it puts receivers at risk of getting blown up. Disagree about Brady. Brady throws hard, much harder than Manning. Brady almost never floats his balls up like that.
     
  14. CK 13

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    This. Defenseless? Common now. It was a perfect play. Mike Golic suggested that the league review hits of this kind to determine if it was a legal hit. I loved it. Especially who it happened to. Paty leaves you out to dry. Defense is put on the back burner due to the fantasy craze. The new rules have made the game soft. A perfect smack down! Hooray Defense!!!
     
  15. Blast Furnace

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    Sing it to the NFL, Bobby and I don't make the rules. Can't live in the past.

    Think we are talking about 2 different things. The rules I posted are from the NFL, in regards to hitting a defenseless receiver. The rules you are quoting, are in regards to hitting in the head and neck area, can't hit a receiver like that at any time. But a defenseless receiver cannot be hit at all.
     
  16. TerribleTowelFlying

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  18. 58stillers

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    Splitting hairs over whether or not he had one or two feet down, he was clearly launching at the receiver while the ball was attempted to be caught. Yes, that is contrary to the rules of the 70's-2000's, but it's a rule change that has been made, like it or not. We get the benefit of slow replay to split hairs, the referees get that in real time up close and personal at different points of view. Right wrong or otherwise, just seeing the aftermath of the hit can be enough for the ref to throw the flag.

    I'm not saying I don't like those big hits just like every other old timer, but this is today's NFL. I wouldn't be shocked to see a hefty fine this week for him.
     
  19. PWP

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    My take on it is they all get paid to play Football......If a WR puts his self in a position to get hit hard by trying to make a high light reel catch then there should not be a penalty flag thrown..The only time I think the flag should be thrown is when the Defender is trying to hurt another player on purpose.In this case the Defender held up a bit didn't use his Helmet or his body as a weapon , IMO he simply made a great Football play...
     
  20. rukus4ever

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    Yes. Looks like it was a 15 yard penalty for head hit against defenseless player.
     
  21. rukus4ever

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    How so?
     
  22. pjgruden

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    So, if the DB had made an attempt to catch the ball, would a penalty have been called? It seems that's the way around getting flagged for a nasty hit like that. Just make like you're going for the ball.
     
  23. shaner82

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    There is not a rule anywhere that says that. You posted the link to hits on a defenceless receiver and it specifies what is illegal. I quoted the parts that are illegal. Nowhere on that page you linked to does it mention any hit on a defenceless receiver is illegal. In fact, if that was true, they wouldn't specify what is specifically an illegal hit on a defenceless receiver.

    The fact that the refs throw flags on any big hit has made people believe any hit on a defenceless receiver is illegal, but that's not the case. A defenceless receiver can be hit, as long as the defensive player didn't launch and didn't hit the head or neck area.

    I mean, you quoted the rules and nowhere in those rules does it say any hit on a defenceless receiver is illegal. I'm not trying to bicker with you Blast, I'm really not, I'm just conversing here about a play I feel strongly about, because to me, that is football. A defensive player made a great play to break up what would have been a huge gain by the offence. The defensive player did his job and he got flagged for it, despite the fact that the hit he laid on Sanders is not illegal according to the link you posted.
     
  24. Busman

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    Thanks TTF .. The last angle really does show head to head while other angle does not.. Hmm

    I would say that was a head to head hit on a defenseless player
     
  25. 58stillers

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