The Coaches DID NOT

Bunch of racists

 

No one believes that we lost because we deferred after winning the coin flip. It's just that it makes no sense to me to do that coming off of back to back weeks when the offense was blowing stuff up. Instead Ben and the offense spent the first 8 minutes of game time (probably ~ 20 minutes of real time) watching from the sideline.

 

I seriously hope you are joking.

 

Well coached teams don't have letdowns every 3rd game, especially against garbage teams. Expressing your feelings to the players isn't enough. Job #1 is to establish an environment where slacking and lack of focus is punished. Job #2 is to assemble a roster of players not prone to taking vacations every few weeks. Job #3 is to make sure that players are preparing properly and with the appropriate intensity and focus all week long. Slackers get benched. Job #4 is to prepare an aggressive game plan to make sure that your guys are attacking on both sides of the ball.

This "the players are grown men" stuff is crap. Tomlin is also a grown man, and it's about time he start taking his job seriously.

 

It was said during the pregame the other night. Maybe against the Texans? It is absolutely Ben's call. I bet you could find it online. Ben IS a captain right? So it would actually make sense that he has this power to do it. It was said though. I actually thought it was weird but since he's a captain I just figured that's why he got to do it. The exact thing was that Tomlin said that Ben just does what he "feels". Others heard it on here too I'm pretty sure because we were discussing it in the game thread I believe.

 

I remember them talking about it BFT but I don't think it is quite the way you are putting it. I think Tomlin said it is up to how Ben feels whether they take the ball or defer. I don't think he meant he gave up the choice and just lets Ben decide out on the field. I think he meant they talk about it in pregame and if Ben says he wants the ball then that's what they do. I could be wrong though.

 

But he would not of called so many running plays up the middle the weren't working or all those short screens so close to the line, and he would of thrown the ball deep a lot more into the Jets weakness. Just plain poor game planning which made no sense. Beelicheat does make good game time changes when something's not working. You got to give him credit there.

 

If the Jets and Pats have only met once this year it will be interesting to see when they meet again what kind of gameplan he uses. We will see if he goes after that secondary. Or just watch the next few teams that play against them and see what they do.

 

Yeah I just remember them saying that it is about how Ben feels. That still sorta gives the impression that Tomlin has given Ben that power though. I mean it implies that if Ben wants the ball they get it. If he doesn't the defense gets a first try. I personally think that Ben might think that we generally get off to a low start and then sorta heat up. So maybe he feels our odds are better for a more productive possession if we get the ball to start the second since we might have some rhythm going by then?

 

I can't imagine Ben not wanting the ball. I can't imagine any competitor not wanting the ball.

 

Here is an article where Tomlin sorta takes responsibility for it.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...nders-in-stunning-defeat/stories/201411100120

 

So your saying that anyone who defers isn't a competitor? Sometimes a competitor needs something to compete against.

 

Our defense can not stop anyone. We have gave up some many opening drives this year why would you ever leave our defense in the position to stop anyone.

 

In the article I posted Tomlin said it is decided on a "week to week basis". I saw an NFL Films segment once about the coin toss and some teams even rely on meteorology to help in their decision on which goal line to defend. They look at what the wind and weather is supposed to be by the END of the game and use that as a deciding factor. It was just talking about how people will do anything in this league to gain a competitive edge.

 

Any offensive player that chooses to defer isn't a competitor.

 

So Ben's not a competitor??

 

http://thesteelersfans.com/forums/showthread.php?10454-The-Coaches-DID-NOT&p=262515&viewfull=1#post262515

 

I guess im a lil late to the party/ and a lil confused.... Tomlin said he lets Ben decide if he wants to receive or defer. So bye that being said, you said Ben is not a competitor ^^^^^^ if he defers

 

The coaches are responsible for having the players
mentally prepared to play the game. And to put those players in position to succeed. I am tired of our players not being mentally prepared to play each and every game.Why have coaches then?
Lets let Ben, Troy call the games they do it now for the most part. Lets save money on the coaching staff, we don't need them anyway, right?

 

I guess the game plan wouldn't make sense if you don't know what the coaches are thinking? The Steelers couldn't go as deep as often as they would had liked because the Jets took away the deep passes most of the game. The Steelers still took shots down the field several times. I imagine the Steelers ran screens in an attempt to slow the Jets pass rush.

BB is one of the best coaches to ever coach. We don't have BB. Tomlin may never be as good a coach as BB. That doesn't mean Tomlin isn't a good coach.

BB had games where his team struggled when the players struggled. I can point out games this year early in the season when the Pat struggled. The Pat got crushed by the Fins and Chiefs. They squeaked by the Raiders and Jets. Welcome to the new NFL.

What happened in the 2007 SB? Did BB fail to make adjustments or did the players just fail to execute?

Regardless of what coaches call players need to execute. The players didn't execute well enough to win vs the Jets. The %'s show that 4 turnovers equals a loss a large majority of the time.

 

People need to let go of this idea that there are garbage teams in the NFL. There are only teams with good records, average records, and bad records. Many of the teams with bad records can win games in this league if the team with a good record makes mistakes.

I wish some of you could actually sit down with coaches and go over game planning. Then you would have a better understanding of what coaches think is the best way to attack a team. Then after the game, go over the film with the coaches so they could sit down and explain what happened on various plays. It would be an eye opening experience for some of you.

I don't know how you expect to punish Ben and Brown for turning the ball over 4 times?? 4 turnovers ='s a loss a large majority of the time.

 

And how on earth do you know what goes on at practice and or inside the locker room? How do we know they are not preparing properly. Perhaps Bens terrible game is just that. A terrible not well executed game. Browns fumbles are on him. This is uncharacteristic for AB so how do you blame fumbles by a player of this caliber on a coach?

I am calling BS on people that look to the coaching when players do not execute and just play like crap

 

Kind of have to agree Busman. When you look at a player like AB who is always prepared and practices like he plays and yet he turns the ball over twice, that's completely on him. That's a guy that we all know doesn't need any of MT's motivation to get up for a game. He had a lousy game, period. Same with Ben and several players on D. Players played terrible Sunday and when you turn the ball over 4 times it's going to be extremely hard to pull off a win.

Just think, if the refs hadn't blown the Vick sideline fumble call we may have scored at that point and quite possibly gotten the W or even took the game into OT and won. For as horrible as we looked we somehow were in the game almost until the very end. We just kept shooting ourselves in the foot with bad play.