PA passes

Per Steelers Depot the Team needs to use more play action ...I have always said this and we have a few simple things to fix.....I have suggested more 2 RB sets and that would give the Team a better playbook filled with PA passes.....Fix,, insert Blount at FB ...Would that fake FB dive pitch to Bell be more effective if Blount was the FB ???Of course it would..

Also we need players that fit what you want to do ...So if we are going to go more PA then you need to get your bigger ,stronger WR'S on the field....Fix,, insert DHB and M.B. take out shrimp WR'S .....Plus if you insert DHB you get more speed for the PA....

This would also help when you run the WR screen game bigger and better blockers will lead to bigger and better plays....

The bottom line stop being so cute and get back to basic Football ,no need to have a package for this and another package for that and then this type of package for the next thing..... Go more basic and play football...

 

Charlie Batch also said last night we need to bring more players in motion, pre-snap, to give Ben pre snap reads and make the defense think a little.

I think the use of both Playaction and more Motion would help tremendously.

Furthermore, I think Ben is a GREAT playaction qb, for some reason he doesn't want to do it more often?

 

yes it sure would .thats what i was eluding to in base sets ,,,if you have sets that you can run and pass from we can always flex and motion better in a more effective way.

 

Nope it happened after Bens first seasons and has got worse every season.Ben has never really tried to sell the Pa he also doesn't really understand the run game either .I am not sure you can coach him up or not . Maybe that's why we don,t use it ? if I was his coach. I would Make him practice with the Ol and the RB group make sure he understands running lanes and cut back lanes or bounce out opportunities and how these work against different fronts .Then couple that with what is going on in the back end and where the soft spots will be when we go PA.

 

PA should work well with the offensive weapons the Steelers have. Miller, Brown, Wheaton, Bell and Blount.

With the way the Steelers are able to generally run all over teams, the PA shouldn't be hard to sell. That's the way it seems to me. But I'm not an OC.

 

I Agree it should be easy ,but not just token fake it or run Pa just to be running it.I mean take it to the next Level with good ball work and good foot work from both the QB and the RB . The QB needs to be the leader like him coaching his guys up on the field , not sure he has the knowledge ,but it's the Coaches job to make sure he does.

 

How does a coach force a player to do this? I don't view Ben as the type of QB with that skill set. I also don't view him as a QB willing to add the skill set. I don't know Ben. This is just the impression that I get from some of his both interviews and video on the sidelines. It appears he wants to do what he wants to do. Period.

 

The goal of play action is not to fool the camera guy, the announcers, or the fans at home watching on TV. The goal is to fool a bunch of guys with obstructed views of the backfield and their heads and hands full with their assignments. The idea that play action fakes have to be ballet is absurd. A good play action fake looks like a real handoff. WTF do our real handoffs look like?

 

Yeah I was always enamored with the way Brady sells the play action. It wouldn't hurt to practice it especially against our D after seeing how Hoyer chewed us up with it.

 

Hard to teach a old dog new tricks,that's the problem. He's got to buy in. The sooner he realizes his old gunslinger days are over the sooner we can turn it around.

 

and yet here we are
year 3
with Haley
who Ben really didn't want

I remember Ben had great PA fake handoff in the early years

 

It's a problem when they do run it because Ben isn't believable with how he holds the ball out.

Also, it would help if guys weren't in the backfield while attempting it. Why is it that every time it's ran against the Steelers D, there's plenty of time for the QB to roll out to the other side of the field?

 

They're in more of a shotgun formation these days... Little harder to sell PA in that set in my opinion, but as much as they've been running out of it lately it should be relevant. But then, like you said he needs time to let the play develop not scramble and fumble away in crucial areas of the field. Just not much camaraderie on that side of the ball right now and the D is in shambles.

 

It's the QB and the RB who have to truley sell it.....Ben now keeps the ball in one hand and sticks his left hand in the RB'S belly...Neither Ben nor the RB bend and make it look real ,,,The RB has to roll over the ball as we call it and continue to carry out the fake.... Plus Ben doesn't look the fake into the RB'S belly ,,he has his eyes down the field....These things are keys to DL and LB'S that's why they don't bite....

Those are the guys you need to fool and it can't be done half hearted...Hoyer sold it so good our defender left his guy completly knowing it was a run...

To contact ,,,,make no mistake the devil is in the details a good PA QB is coached to be one an in turn he Coaches his RB to carry out the fake and roll over the ball properly....

After that the QB and the RB need to be on the same page after the fake he is the outlet and he has option routes according to the rest of the pass tree and the type of D they are facing....To you guys who think Football is simple it's just not true lots of science involved in each and every play....

 

I know one thing I've noticed about our PA fake is that ben is not much of a slight of hand guy that sells it very well. they might as well not even do it most of the time. the thought is to hold up the defense for a split second and without a good fake attempt it's pretty useless.

 

I agree with both and yes the OL is a huge part ,but they work as a single group...You can get them right pretty quick from my experience...A lot harder to get the QB and the RB on the same page ,,,because unlike what contact said a true PA pass is in deed a Ballet....

I think we both agree this Team needs to do it more for sure and the more we practice it the better we should get at it ....I was just stating the main problems that are clear to me when I watch us attempt it....

 

you are right chief. the whole offense needs to sell the play action much better to make it effective. it is a good tool if carried out the right way, so far I've not seen it be a true sell. with the way we run the ball, we should sell this a lot more efficiently and could very easily.

 

To be fair, to run PA you need a good run game, Ben hasn't had that in years.

It doesn't matter how bad Ben is at selling it. The D will bite if LevBell is racking up yards on the ground.

To me what make Ben great at it is how quickly he can locate guys down field after he turns around. Plus Ben doesn't have the biggest arm, but strong enough to make the deep throw.

It is said Ben only like guys "college open" and PA will leave guys open in a big way if defenses bite.