a simple question that needs simple answers

I cant read every post cause sometimes its hard to sort thru the junk. I would like to ask people one question. is it the players or coaches? reason I am asking is some people post on one thread its coaches and then contradict themselves in another thread blasting players.

I personally am as disgusted as anyone. I lean more to the players. we are just not as talented as I would like to think we are. I know some will say its a combination of both. to those people I would like to know who they think is more at fault

 

Players, in particular the defensive line.

 

it's the bridge being closed still
you promised months ago
open the bridge 1031

I blame the GM

 

Lol the Defensive line called ~15 straight runs to open the game and scored 3 meaningful points all game.

 

You have to look at it game by game, as I think the balance shifts each time. Today, the player's execution was poor to say the least, and the gaps in the secondary were being exposed. Which is a shame, because in the first quarter we looked... ah well, that was the first quarter.

 

This was a team effort today, can't fire all the players. LOL. Could we see some accountability from ARTII down to the practice squad players?
Question if you continue to do your job poorly,
will there be consequences?

 

It can be both ... and it is.

 

This team has no fire plain and simple. NO ONE TO say this **** stops here. Team has not been the same sine Ward retired. No leadership on the field and off.

 

Blast, what is the point of having a coach if the players are 100% responsible for everything that happens on the field? If you suck at your job, that's on you. If you and all your co-workers suck at your jobs, that's on your boss. If an entire team sucks despite turnover at most positions, how can you continue to blame the players? Yes, execution is on the players, but execution goes back to practice. I don't know what we're doing in practices, but clearly we're doing it wrong.

 

Most of the blame goes on the players. They are the ones missing assignments, they are the one taking stupid penalties. But, the talent on the team top to bottom is not what some here think, nor is it what it once was. When you bring Harrison and Keisel back in desperation you are admitting that the talent lacks. Is Worilds a big time LB? Doesn't look like it. After AB who's the capable #2 WR? Wheaton?, geez maybe he'll be an Emanual Sanders someday. The OL doesn't pass block well. Heath, God love him, is a gritty reliable guy, but he ain't what he was. Neither is Troy. They gets no pass pressure, they gave up 150 yds on the ground.

Scheme maybe can mask some of these problems. But it's lipstick on a pig.

You can point the finger at drafts and talent acquisition and rightfully so. But in general what you are seeing is indicative of the overall team talent level.

 

Ignoring the defensive line will be your downfall!

 

I'm not disagreeing with the possibility that the D-Line is the problem, but aren't you getting the least bit tired of singing that song?

 

A majority of the blame resides with the players.

 

I think one leads to the other. There is not a single unifying vision for what this team needs to be or even a loose frame work. It is hard for coordinators to mold players into a team when the Head Coach is waiting for some fortune cookie prophecy to reveal itself. Even harder for position coaches to correct mistakes if they aren't working towards something. This funnels down to the players who through out their collegiate careers had a system crammed down their throats and coaches who led them. Left to their own devices you see the product on the field.

AS far as DL goes he needs to admit he needs help, I know he has forgotten more about defense than most will know in their lifetime but he needs help finding something that works with melding these young guys with veterans. If I see one more long run that happens because guys break backside contain or don't hold the line and end up five yards into the backfield leaving a gap you can drive a truck through I'll scream. It's not to late 3-3 means there is still time, break it down and get back to basics.

 

I think it's player execution. Because you can't tell me that we are not going over the same thing that torched us in the previous game against the Browns. The zone stretch run plays, the throw back to the TEs and the play action pass all did us in again like the first game. And the players continue to execute poorly.

 

I told you.....forget the bridge. enjoy the country route.lol july is what I am told

 

I disagree Blast, I think they can win consistently with this OL and there are multiple gameplans that can get them there but it will take everyone being humble and swallowing their egos to get there. The secondary could also flourish if they abandon the exotic and get back to basics. The bend don't break BS is done, get up there and jam the WR's and give the pass rush time to work. DL and LB's need to rip holes in the OL line not be bunched up and negated. Give up the base 3-4 concepts that they cling too, put Silverback and Worilds on the same side, cause mismatches , teach your DB;s backs to blitz correctly and stop just running into the RB.

 

Well I could lie and say something stupid like "Fire Tomlin, fire everyone! Ben sucks, DL sucks, Colbert sucks, the Rooney's suck, everyone sucks!", rather than just stating the truth, but I don't like to lie.

 

I disagree, thorn. This Oline is putrid. We have no tackle on the roster who can play and beat the man lined up across from him. Foster is so bad it's hard to watch. LG, LT, and RT all need to be upgraded because the three players we currently have in those positions would not start on any other NFL team. They are just not good.

 

It starts with Tomlin above else. I mean, did Haley, LeBeau, and Munchak all get stupid all of a sudden? Or Butler and Lake? This is a talented team. Look at the roster and ask yourself: could other HCs win with this bunch? Or play better? I say yes.

It seems to me that you have a bunch of coaches and players who just don't fit together at all. AT ALL. And why is this? Did Kevin Colbert suddenly get stupid, too?

The problem is that Tomlin never came into the job seeming to know how to put a team together. He had one already assembled for him. Now, he's having to do it, to make the team IN HIS IMAGE. And what do we have? Yep.

 

Seems like we've had oline problems for at least 10 years. That leads me to say, Where do we go in the draft? We can't spend anymore high quality draft picks on olineman. That was what Munch was brought in for.

 

I think we have no choice but to draft a LT if we get a top-10 pick. It is the only way we will ever get one because we will never pay a talented free agent tackle the kind of money he would demand. I think it is very easy to find a starting LG in the second or even third round.

 

Sorry but these guys aren't as horrible as they look they just lack vision and leadership. THey have the same problem the line has had for the last half dozen years or so and that is everyone says they are no good and they buy into it. Lets look at the double sacks they gave up, hwy did they happen because they were beat or because Ben didn't take the easy completion and looked for the spectacular? On the second one Heath chips in on a double team and releases to the flat, turns to catch the ball and Ben isn't looking his way boom sack. This OL is not being given a gameplan or leadership that allows them to succeed. When that happens they will be serviceable. The Browns lost a probowl center and didn't miss a beat, last year the Chargers had two guys off the street and they thrived. Why? because they were put in a position to succeed, our guys are being put at a disadvantage.