Hoorays and Boos for the Win vs. Cleveland

mac daddyo · Sep 10, 2014

Steel_Elvis said: ↑

Execution is not just a player issue. It's on both coaches and players. Coaches are responsible for ensuring that the players understand their assignnents, and have the execution down. The coaches control who is in the game, and who has what responsibility on the field. If someone is not executing, the coach needs to make a substitution. When you see a lack of execution on a play here or there, or by 1 or 2 players who just don't get it, yeah that's a player issue that becomes a coaching issue if the coaches don't address it. When an entire unit looks lost for an extended period of time, that is a sign that there's something in play beyond just a few players not executing. We had a dress rehearsal for the up tempo run/pass offense in the Eagle game. To me it didn't look like we fixed any of the issues that were highlighted in that game.

Now to be clear, I am not saying that DL is the sole issue confronting our defense. I think so so drafting for several years is the #1 issue. That's why we had to sign a mediocre talent like Cam Thomas, and also why we had to bring back a 35 year old Brett Keisel right before the season started. What I am saying is that DL pretty clearly had no answer for what the Browns were doing -which was very similar to what the Eagles did to us in the preseason. I hope he does figure it out, but I'm concerned. It's similar to our consistent issues for years stopping a short, quick passing game. In the Pats game in 2011, we finally broke from our standard scheme and surprised them with tight man coverage underneath. It took years for DL to get there. We don't have years to solve this new NFL trend if we're going to contend this year. Any OC worth his salt took note of what the Eagles and Browns were able to do, and we will be seeing it again. Ultimately it falls on the coaches to solve this problem and then ensure that the players who "get it" are on the field to execute.
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it doesn't always work out that you just put someone else in the game. ben forces that throw in that got picked, should the coach have said ben you didn't execute as I've taught you so gradkowski go in.

Steel_Elvis · Sep 10, 2014

mac daddyo said: ↑

it doesn't always work out that you just put someone else in the game. ben forces that throw in that got picked, should the coach have said ben you didn't execute as I've taught you so gradkowski go in.
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I think you know that's a silly analogy. My point is that coaches are responsible for execution, particularly over time. If coach in the league ever took the position that he had no responsibility for how his players execute his scheme, I think he'd be unemployed pretty quickly.

Blast Furnace · Sep 10, 2014

Steel_Elvis said: ↑

I think you know that's a silly analogy. My point is that coaches are responsible for execution, particularly over time. If coach in the league ever took the position that he had no responsibility for how his players execute his scheme, I think he'd be unemployed pretty quickly.
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Just how much can a coach do to teach execution? It's football 101, only so many ways you can pound that into someones head. I think scheme is more fitting of your argument.

Busman · Sep 10, 2014

Blast Furnace said: ↑

Just how much can a coach do to teach execution? It's football 101, only so many ways you can pound that into someones head. I think scheme is more fitting of your argument.
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Precisely my point and clearly your point as well BF. Should coaches go onto the field and say " Ok you stand here and do this when the ball comes your way" lol

It is basic football and coverage and more to do with players executing what has been practiced week in and week out. DL can draw up the plans and explain it to the personnel but at the end of the day it's up to the players to execute. Clearly they did so in the first half of the Cleveland game, after which they decided to give up

Wardismvp · Sep 11, 2014

Steel_Elvis said: ↑

So, our defense has consistently struggled for years against tempo (see past blowout losses to New England when they went no - huddle in non 2 minute drills before it was in vogue), with a variety of players over those years, and it's on the players? If a few players fail to execute, and it's corrected by changing players or better teaching those players, then sure, it's logical to conclude that the players were the issue. When an entire defense consistently struggles against a certain type of offense, it's the coaches' responsibility to correct the issues. Coaches have to lead, and they have to put the players in a position to be successful- even if it means changing tendencies. We'll see how this defense does against the inevitable up tempo offense that we'll see Thursday night. Unless DL adapts his approach to dealing with tempo, I think we're in for a rough night.
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Sorry I altered your post SE But you nailed it exactly.Football 101.This is the way I learned.

Steel_Elvis · Sep 11, 2014

Blast Furnace said: ↑

Just how much can a coach do to teach execution? It's football 101, only so many ways you can pound that into someones head. I think scheme is more fitting of your argument.
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It's both Blast. For execution of basic fundamentals like blocking, tackling, etc. The responsibility falls on the position coaches. For developing the scheme and game plan, it's the coordinator. For installation and execution of the scheme and game plan I.e. making sure every player is on the same page with who does what under certain calls and in reaction to certain looks by the offense, it's both. Ive seen issues on all 3 fronts against tempo. Really, when you give up 24 points in under 20 minutes, there are all kinds of things going wrong. I would elaborate more, but I'm typing on my phone. Hopefully that's enough to clarify what I mean.

mac daddyo · Sep 11, 2014

who's to say the coaches didn't do the right things? the gameplan seemed to work well for a half.

the coaches don't just change their whole approach because LT over runs a few plays, or guys miss tackles, or d-linemen can't get off a block, or gets held on each particular play. changing your scheme at that point is the furthest thing you want to do. you hope the players execute like the coaches have drawn it up and how they have taught them to play each situation.

again a lot of this leads back to them playing together for more than one half of football. new players mixed into this defense do not react as did guys that were on the field together for many years. let's face it, we don't have Woodley, harrison, farrier, foote, clark, aaron smith and casey anymore. LT gets out of position the last couple of years. whether he's overcompensating for shazier this year and Williams last year, I don't know but it sure seems like it.

we can look at every level of the defense and see new. d-line, LB'ers (inside and out), DB's and that's just the defense. they don't coach them to play it like they did, trust me. you also don't change what we have practiced for in this game.

there was not a lot of footage to go by even on the browns tendencies in this one. they have new players everywhere that we haven't really seen before. game one is not the one to have your full arsenal available with so many unknowns about your players and theirs and how they play in certain situations. you don't do that mid game. sure it's easy to sit there as a fan and watch it and say change what you are doing.

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