Is it time for Lebeau to retire?

Ever since Aaron Smith and Casey Hampton retired, the D-line hasn't been good and the defense in general hasn't been good. Now I know the coaches are only as good as the team but the fact is the team doesn't have the players to run the system the man uses and he doesn't seem to be able to fix it. If it were 2 years then maybe we draft to get better but the same blitz packages, the same inside stunts, it doesn't work anymore yet we run it all the time without change. Maybe I'm being too harsh after 1 game but that looked miserable and it looks the same as the last 3 years, I had a flashback to the Raiders game in which they scored on every single second half possession and even 1 stop was too much to ask. I may be in the minority but I think it is time to get someone who can come up with a scheme that works with the players we have because the one we are using now hasn't worked in quite some time.

 

Maybe it's not Lebeau but maybe Mitchell our dline coach. It takes him so long to strip these guys down and build them back up that by time that happens their rookie contracts are up. Remember Ziggy Hood after 4 years still couldn't get it right.

 

No I don't think so. I think he knows how to stop the types of Offenses that are being run today we just don't have the skill to do it. Maybe a switch to a front 4 would ease things a bit, but it wouldn't really fix what ails us..

We need CB'S and lots of them.

 

The Browns kept 10 corners on their 53 man roster.

 

And they still lost today!

 

The game passes everyone by, even the greatest of all time. I don't know if the game has passed him by or not, but our defence hasn't been the same for 3-4 years now. In the past, it didn't matter how much talent we lost, we would replace players and not miss a beat. Now, we lose a few players and everyone says we're rebuilding. Sorry, but we're not rebuilding, not even close, we're simply not executing well and that's on the coaches, all of them.

Simply saying Lebeau is one of the greatest of all time doesn't mean the game hasn't passed him by. The two have nothing to do with each other. Football has evolved, it's possible that his ideas simply aren't effective in todays game

 

thank the lord ,but those young CB'S will get better and play better together as the season goes on. Our DB'S will just get older and slower and less effective. This season is squarely on the Offense and Ben we go as far as they take us.

 

poor talent evalutation , i still ask myself why they gave 2 milion to cam thomas

 

"Yes!"
--Keith Butler

 

I heard the other day that we still have the oldest defense in the NFL

 

Is it possible to make this thread a sticky so we don't have to see this post after every game we either lose or the defense doesn't play great?

 

I agree the offense will carry us, and if they go 3 and out the are going to make our D tired and the results will be the same as today.

 

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I agree and it is beginning to show it

 

Beginning to show? We've had an AARP defense for a few years now.

 

We were playing good D in the first half. We were also getting pressure on the QB.

In the second half, we didn't get pressure on the QB AND Hoyer started to actually play well. That, plus the hurry up mode preventing us to substitute fresh D-linemen were huge factors in the downturn of our defensive play in the second half.

My biggest fear is that opposing offenses will look at this tape and use the hurry up mode to exploit our lack of pass rush weakness.

I feel very strongly that our linebackers are fine, they displayed good things in the first half, but that our defensive line is not good, or more importantly, gets worn down too quickly. I honestly think the only quality D-lineman we have is Hayward, with Keisel and Tuitt being serviceable, (but Keisel is old and Tuitt needs more time to learn), but you need much more than that.

I know this is a terrible analogy, and I know I will get geeked out by someone who owns the latest version, but I feel that if this were Madden, Heyward would be rated like 82, Keisel would be around 75, Tuitt about 72, McClendon about 72, Cam Thomas about 70. That isn't good enough in the game, and I don't think it is good enough, collectively, in real life.

 

How is that possible? We only have two old starters - Troy and Ike... Cortez, Mitchell, all of our LBs and DL are in their 20s, some of them early 20s.

 

Keisel?

 

Do backups count? Even if they do, I find it hard to believe that pushes us into the oldest D in the league. Other teams have old backups. Anyone have the numbers on this?

 

Timmons is not exactly a spring chicken either.

 

Maybe they mean the defensive scheme is old. Haha

 

He just turned 28.

 

I was just saying it seems like he's been in the league for a while. He's a "veteran" now ya know? When I hear of someone being a "veteran" I always just THINK of them as being older. He probably is one of the older players though right? I mean compared to Shazier, Allen, Shark, and Williams. Also how old is Cam Thomas? He has been around a while too right? What about Moats?