Gradkowski is in my dog house.

man you saw a different game than I did.

 

Personally I thought he "settled in" only after he had help. Hubbard didn't help his cause either at LG imo.

 

IDK, I haven't studied the game or anything since watching it Saturday but I know when I was watching live there were what seemed like a lot of scary moments from Adams. It looked like he was getting pushed back and twisted around often. I'd still love to see him turn the corner but that game really made me think he still has a long way to go and i'm just not sure he's improving. Next week it is.

 

evidently, because I know for a fact gradkowski got blasted in the chops from adams man. so no pressures and no sacks is not true. go to steelers.com and watch the steelers live segment. not to mention several tackles by his man. if that's good tackle work then we are in serious need of re-evaluation. heck yea, lets start him and we won't have to worry about ben and an extension.

 

technical trouble early in the game munchak said. that's what I saw, the same problems he had last year. not sure where you got no sacks and no pressures. boom shackalaka? really? what are you 3?

 

I'm not the greatest in game scientist, but thank goodness for both Grad and landrys ability to roll right and get rid of the ball in whatever fashion. The left side buckled behind him and the backup guard quite a bit. Yeah it's a who's who of relevance, but Adams did not have a good showing... No sacks or not. The line caved from his spot. Sorry I was a fan and if he turns it around I'll be quite happy with it, but I saw what I saw, and obviously so did a few others. Coaches speak up and QB's speak up about line play a lot of the time. Maybe it's to encourage or whatever, but if big man keeps it up he's out.

 

that part was in response to blast, TTF. I saw many replays of adams not playing the pass as well as you say on steelers live, not the comments, the footage.

luckily at least twice besides what you described his man fell down and also the ball came out very quickly, which made him look far better than he really was.

not to mention the hands to the face that he got away with on one pass attempt. he also got help on several. if there was better coverage and the qb had to hold that ball and extra tick, adams was pushed back within a step of the qb. again not good and if he has to play a lot at this stage those will eventually not end as well as they did.

we were lucky on several pass attempts that could have very easily gone the other way we know ben has a tendency to hold that ball an extra second and that would mean trouble if he plays it that same way in the future. the technique was not that sharp. several times he should have stayed with his block longer. he's still over reaching and over extending and those are not technically sound pass protection standards.

he also had some good moments and I refered to that also. I'm just not ready to say it was that great of a performance. there is still a lot of work to do from his end. when I see the same problems he had in the past and they still show up, that's a problem. he may be the best we have right now as the 3rd tackle, but that doesn't make me feel comfortable with his play yet. it still wasn't great.

as far as the start him, that was also in response to blast. as munch said he still had some technique trouble early. it's the same trouble he has had before this year and so far in camp and the game.

I'm not saying he should be cut this year, I'm saying beachum is still the better of the two right now and adams may have shown a little better than last year, but not much so far. I know I don't want him protecting ben at this stage.

I also want to say hubbard may be getting a worse rap than he deserves. he was trying to help adams and pass guys off to Wallace that made hubbard look worse than he actually was. he has also been practicing with the first team last week and the week before with foster out and not with Wallace and adams. things happen differently with pouncey and gilbert on each side of him then they would the other way around.

PFF had adams as our best pass protector in that game, not the highest graded lineman.

I'm still not comfortable with adams starting any time soon, that's for sure. also no beachum is not perfect either, just better than adams at this point.

I hope this clears up the points I have been trying to make. I'm next pulling for munch's Johnson to take that swing spot before it's over. maybe not this year but within the 3 year time frame that adams has had so far.

 

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...oster-battles-offensive-line-depth-chart-2014

Short article about the competition between Whimper and Adams for backup swing tackle. Johnson is mentioned as well, but i'm guessing it's the PS for him. If we keep Wallace, Adams, & Whimper that gives us 8 O-linemen. If we run with 7 we'd have to let one of them go. Wallace can play G and C and Whimper can play inside and out. That could be the deciding factor for keeping Adams or not.

 

Yeah, with the string of injury issues at O-line we've had in the past I would think we'd go with 8, but you never know. I can't remember without looking how many we carried last season. I know we had to go get Brown and Velasco.

 

FWIW, just saw an article on NFL.com ranking the league's backup QB's. Gradkowski listed at #24, two slots below Jimmy Clausen, who couldn't throw it in the ocean when he flopped with the Panthers.

Stay healthy, Ben. Stay healthy, my friend.

 

the 3rd center is pretty important and has been the last two years. we used 4 last year and 3 the year before. I'm not sure they will risk losing munch's hand picked guy off the PS without another center capable guy on the 53. that's why losing snow kind of hurt, it left us thin. the only other guy that they have worked out there was hubbard.

if something would happen to pouncey and Wallace even moving beachum to that spot weakens two spots as MT has said in the past. johnsons ability to play all 5 spots makes him a highly valued commodity.

I don't see us not keeping 9 O-linemen and 8 on game day. it almost bit us two years ago and I don't think they have been without 8 since. anyone have that info?

and to keep this thread worthy, we need a center if gradkowski is ever going to get a snap. see what I did there. LOL

 

Good save, mac.

Just for ****s and giggles, if we dropped Gradkowski, who would we pick up? Josh Freeman? Kevin Kolb?

 

When you draft guys as high as Adams
and Gilbert you better see some production.
This has been going on far too long for 1rst
and 2nd round high draft choices. Neither one is going to be cut, what does that tell you about our
depth at OL? Art Rooney mentioned years ago
that he would like to see players progressing more quickly. You have these 2 that are at their
3 and 4th years(high Draft choices mind you)
and what can you say about their performance?
That they are good in the run game? Hell man
when most teams throw the ball 50 times a game you better be able to pass block, neither one of these guys have shown up to this point,
that they can do it.Please,please Steelers don't over pay on Gilbert!