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James Harrison is desperate to get signed

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steelersrule6, Jun 18, 2014.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I'm still not seeing how JH is the bad guy when it's the Steelers who wanted to renegotiate his contract that they agreed upon. If you are ever unfortunate enough to have your boss come to you and demand a paycut, let me know how you feel about that because I'm pretty sure I'd say f-u too. And before you say these guys make a lot more money then you do, yes they do and they deserve it.
     
  2. Myronwemissyinz

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    Please correct me if Im wrong......MOST NFL contracts are year to year...NOTHING is GUARENTEED.....If Im wrong it would not be the first time.
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    There's guaranteed money of every contract but a player can be cut anytime. The contract was for six years I believe, the Steelers came to him after 4 and asked him to take a pay cut. Still not seeing how James is the bad guy.
     
  4. HugeSnack

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    The disconnect between Myronwemissyinz and reality is that he views James's mistaken belief that he could get more elsewhere as an enormous act of betrayal and a "F.U.", rather than what it was, a miscalculation of his own popularity.

    -The Steelers came to him and demanded he either accept a pay cut or be released.
    -He did not accept, either because he felt too disrespected, or he thought he could make more money on another team. Probably, like a lot of people, the two things are one and the same. More pay is more respect. But I don't know the official reason and I don't feel like digging up quotes.
    -They released him.
    -He was a good sport and has had nothing but positive things to say about the organization ever since.

    This was no holdout. The team was holding his feet to the fire, not the other way around. Myron, anything else you believe is your own imagination. Dislike him all you want, but this is a terrible reason. He's done bad things - you want to hate him? Pick one of them and stop making stuff up. Or go ahead, but keep it to yourself.
     
  5. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you can compare what the Steelers asked Harrison to do to regular people in everyday jobs many who are living paycheck to paycheck. Harrison according to reports still would've made around 4 million with a paycut for a 35 yr old that's not bad. Players in the NFL know the deal contracts aren't fully guaranteed, Harrison let his pride get in the IMO Ike Taylor didn't go that route.
     
  6. Myronwemissyinz

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    The disconnect between Myronwemissyinz and reality is that he views James's mistaken belief that he could get more elsewhere as an enormous act of betrayal and a "F.U.", rather than what it was, a miscalculation of his own popularity.

    "a miscalculation of his own popularity.".....Yes he believed he was worth alot more than he was. The League spoke and NOBODY gave him the money he asked for. Than he begged back to the STEELERS...They said no thanks and rightfully so. **** Mr. Harrison.....WE DONT NEED HIM!!!!!
     
  7. HugeSnack

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    Okay that's a step towards reality. Now, when did he beg the Steelers to take him back?
     
  8. Myronwemissyinz

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    Ok Ill play......When nobody meet his outrages demands.
     
  9. Myronwemissyinz

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    WAITING Huge......????????
     
  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    It's all relative to ones own situation. 4 million is probably a lot to most people on this board but JH is in a different tax bracket. He probably only gets about 2 million of that and most of that will be spent on his property tax which I'd be willing to bet is easily a million if not more. Then there is also the hazards of what he does, with the threat of ending up like Mike Webster, I don't blame these guys for wanting more.

    The point though is, people act like he should take a pay cut with a smile, nobody would, Ike isn't happy about his and mostly took his because he saw what happened to JH. I'm sorry but anyone that says they wouldn't have a problem with taking a pay cut is fooling themselves.
     
  11. TheSteelHurtin2188

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    I wouldn't call his agent callong the Steelers when there was much interest to say they woupd take the deal amd the Steelers saying too late begging.
     
  12. HugeSnack

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    You're talking to a guy who considers, "You want me to take a pay cut? I think I can get more elsewhere" to be a giant "F.U."
     
  13. Myronwemissyinz

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    WHAT.....I speak drunk.....But dont have a idea what Steel said....
     
  14. thorn058

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    He is saying that you can hardly categorize Harrison and his agent having a change of heart about the offer the Steelers made as him beggin for a job.
     
  15. thorn058

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    What outrageous demands? At this point Myron and I am not looking to continue a fight, your anger is based on some wrong information. Whether you want to continue it is your choice but I will put this out there. First Harrison said he was willing to restructure his deal the same as everyone else had that year. The front office made the choice that they felt restructuring wouldn't get them the cap room they needed and Harrison was selected as the guy they asked to take a pay cut. Now why they asked him to be the guy that has to sacrifice for the mishandling of contracts, the constant restructuring that had forced the team to the point it was at is open to debate but what isn't is that many fans got mad at Harrison for not taking a pay cut, thought he wasn't being a team guy which was far from the truth he was just as willing as Ben, AB, Woodley, Timmons and every other player that restructured that year were only that wasn't offered to him.

    Now comes the one of the most misquoted tidbits of the entire affair, the 4 million dollars that gets thrown out as to what the Steelers offered him. That is a complete and utter piece of speculation written by one of the Pittsburgh beat writers(IIRC it was Bouchette) who started this story of how Harrison was turning down an offer that would have netted him close to what he was originally suppose to make if the Steelers honored his contract but with the exception that it would be a heavily incentive laden deal. In other words that 4 million was smoke and mirrors unless he met conditions to get it. I have said all along that unless those incentives were show up at camp and receive 2.5 million it was a bad deal any way you slice it. Here is the kicker, everyone that talks about this deal is basically continuing that speculation because the Steelers never and I"m pretty sure I can say this NEVER comment on contract negotiations. Harrison and his camp said nothing about it beyond we are willing to restructure but not taking a pay cut, they said both sides were talking but weren't close to anything agreeable to Harrison. So the story is speculation and a lot of fans are upset based on that.

    The next part is the lack of interest or apparent lack of interest by NFL teams. Harrison has some pretty restrictive guidelines in his search for a new team. He was looking to play in a 3-4, he wanted to stay close to Pittsburgh because he has kids there and it would make it easier to still be a part of their lives. So right there you have narrowed things down to what ten teams maybe. He took the deal in Cincinnati because it allowed him to stay near Pittsburgh i believe he was commuting the whole time and while it paid him less than the speculated money that the Steelers offered it wasn't an incentive laden deal but a flat salary and signing bonus. Even if he played one year like he did he would still come out ahead because he would make more guaranteed money than the speculated 1.5 million base and 2.5 million in incentives the Steelers deal offered.

    One last thing I want to point out here is that to everyone claiming the FO knew he was done and washed up, if that was the case why would they ask him to take a pay cut and stay with the team? If you think a guy is done why offer to keep him around and at 4 million I mean that doesn't sound to me like they wanted to part ways with Harrison but saw no other option very similar to Woodley, some bad contracts forcing tough choices.
     
  16. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    You guys act like the Steelers did some injustice to Harrison, Harrison wasn't the first and he won't be the last veteran asked to take a paycut. They also gave him a 50 million contract and something like a 12 million signing bonus, they did the right thing you don't pay a 35 yr old with declining skills over 7 million a year. 4 million is nothing to sneeze at for a older veteran, the NFL stands for not for long for these players they know the drill.
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Actually, we're not. We're just dispelling the notion that JH did some awful thing by wanting them to honor the contract that they agreed upon. But to some, that makes JH a pos. Go figure.
     
  18. mac daddyo

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    it was probably hard to swallow for him at the time. sure it happens to older players, but not all older players were DPOY not many seasons before they asked for a paycut.:cool:
     
  19. Myronwemissyinz

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    :dizzy:.......The man is asking for way more cash than he is worth......Thats why he aint signed yet by any team none nada not one.......DUH...... You will never see him back in Da Burgh...
     
  20. TheSteelHurtin2188

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    I actually think its the Steelers or retirement in his eyes. If the Steelers give him a shot and a chance to retire a Steeler he will play if not he will retire.
     
  21. TerribleTowelFlying

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    Eh, while the market can be a bit unpredictable, you never know who's going to get hurt in August. He could easily walk on to the right team at the right time.
     
  22. Myronwemissyinz

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    STEELERS gave him his shot....He turned it down. F^$K him........
     
  23. Blast Furnace

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  24. Myronwemissyinz

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    ?
     
  25. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I just don't understand the vitriol for someone who played his guts out for us and helped bring home trophy #6 with one of the most exciting football plays ever.

    Also, I think you should come work for me, when things get tight, I know who to go to first :lolol:
     

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