gilbert

looking for a new contract.http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/06/steelers-preliminary-contract-extension-talks-t-marcus-gilbert/

whats your thoughts on this one? this article seems to think around 5 mil. per.

 

No reason for the Steelers to give him a pre-emptive deal. He'll need to earn a new contract with his play on the field this season. If that means we take a chance of him walking, so be it.

 

with allen,ben and heyward needing paid and then beachum, I'd have to hold off. beachum is making dirt squat for being a starting LT in this league. we also have adams sitting here and much's Johnson, not to mention whimper. I definitely would take a wait and see with him.

 

5 milion x year is an heresy , 3 years 10 milion at best , we have adams that can play rt , i don't get why we are in hurry to give 5 milion a year to gilbert

 

no beachum won't get top LT money but gilbert shouldn't get top money while our LT starter makes far less either. beachum should demand a better deal than gilbert, he's making peanuts now. the elephant in the room is adams and what we will do with him.

we have done well in the way of Johnson and beachum. I doubt any team in the league has two backup guys as versitle as the two we now have. you can keep a few less linemen with guys like that. a good problem to have.

 

But isn't Beachum better than Gilbert? Isn't that why he is playing LT? Wouldn't Beachum take priority since he is more important to the team?

 

they also didn't know he was going to be our starting LT either. he earned that and he should earn more money for it early or not.

it's got nothing to do with ego, but you are right beachum, he doesn't seem like the type to demand anything. it's about them treating one of their players fair. the position alone should demand a higher rate.

we can get several guys to play RT, but not to many here can play on the left as we have seen. then to give a guy that is a one position pony 5 mil. I'm definitely not in favor of it. 570,000 for the guy protecting your franchises backside, while the rest will make in the million dollar + range as starters. heck adams as a backup makes more, so does whimper and Wallace.

seems to me they have done it before for guys that became starters, I just can't bring them to mind right now. anybody have this info?

 

Why are we even talking about extending Beachum? You're talking like he's the established LT on the team. He might be our starter right now, but how much of that is his play and how much is the performance of his competition?

1. He has only played a small number of good games. Marcus Gilbert has had stretches of good football as long as that, too. Beachum has shown far less than a guy like Worilds, who is in a similar situation with his half-year of strong play... Except Worilds has two extra years of tape compared to Beachum, and his contract is actually up, not halfway through, and there aren't questions about the whole physical side of his game like there are with Beachum, who is a try-hard overachiever but very athletically limited.

2. The competition for the spot isn't over. Adams had a few terrible games there and was pulled. People forget this, but Beachum looked really bad too for awhile, before pulling it together and finishing strong. And he wasn't even coming off a stabbing. Beachum is the frontrunner, but the job is not securely his. I believe they will give Adams a chance to take it from him this preseason. It's his third year, he's WAAAAY healthier than he was this time last year, and he's got Munchak. Adams always was a project player with a high ceiling and low floor. He just needs to get it together, and he needs time to do it. The odds might seem low right now, but they're high enough that you shouldn't be handing out long-term deals to either player.

3. He has two years left on his peanuts contract! Why extend now, when there's still risk that he isn't the answer? We could wait a year, get a much better idea of how good he really is, and still lock him up a year early if we want to.

All that said, I'm rooting for him. And Adams. And Gilbert. I want the best players out there. Beachum might be the guy. He might be the next Marvel Smith, and lock it down for 5 years. But we haven't seen enough.

 

As for Gilbert, unless you can get him for really cheap, I'd wait. I agree he's been Meh. Some highs and lows. I do think he was not healthy last year. He was playing through pain, and that hurt him. But if you've got to shell out $5M because that's the market, you might as well get one more cheap year out of him - which, with health, a new coach, an impending All Pro on one side of him and an improved Heath Miller on the other, and money as a motivator, should be the best of his career.

If you're gonna lock up someone from the 2011 draft right now, I've got two guys on my list ahead of him.

 

The thing with Gilbert is he has improved every year but when does that stop? Does it stop next year or does he grow into a really good tackle. I think he is solid right now but I'm more interested in seeing Adams this year

 

I think the issue with Gilbert is that a lot of people disagree - they feel he took a step back in 2013. I'm inclined to agree, but he was banged up for most of the season. He was listed on a lot of injury reports, and Ramon Foster said he was impressed that Gilbert played at all. He said his legs were two different sizes. Not totally sure what that means exactly, but it doesn't sound good. I expect him to play better in 2014.

 

injuries happen but if he was that banged up and played through there goes the early questions of his qork ethic and heart.

 

why didn't adams play in his place if he was so banged up?

 

I'm sure they felt a banged up Gilbert was better, probably due to Adams' performance at LT early in the year. Of course, Adams was coming off an injury, even if he was healthy at the time. Here's a quote from Marcus:

"As you get older you realize your snaps are limited," he said. "You only play the game for so long. I just want to maximize every chance I have to be here and show them what I'm worth. I don't want to miss any time. I don't want anyone to take my reps. That's the type of demeanor you have to have."


And here's some more:

Gilbert is playing for his third offensive line coach with the Steelers. New coach Mike Munchak is re-implementing the outside zone blocking scheme that was abandoned early last season after Pouncey was injured, as well as working individually with each player and their fundamentals.

"He's tweaking different areas in our game," Gilbert said. "It's showing out here. It's crazy how a coach like him can share with us his experience, what worked best for him and what will work best for us. It's been working out great for us. I feel like I've been having the best offseason I had since I've been here."

Gilbert acknowledged Munchak will have a big say in whether he gets a second contract with the Steelers. Pouncey quickly impressed Munchak and was rewarded with a $48 million dollar deal.

Gilbert knows a lot is riding on his performance in 2014 if a long-term deal is not reached before the season.

"I see a lot of improvement in my game, in the run and the pass game," Gilbert said. "I just want to become a complete and top right tackle in the game. I know I'm capable of doing it and they know I'm capable of doing it."

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...an-take-big-jump-in-2014/stories/201406150119

 

whats he going to say? he wants a job and to get paid. why didn't he have this attitude before this? I remember pounce having to ride him to work out. was that the previous coaches fault?

I also can't believe they would play a guy hurt when a healthier guy sits on the bench. why would it be because of what he did at LT when we saw him play 5 games the year before at RT and did alright? makes no sense.

one guy though, the one that's not the right size played both tackle spots above the level of these two talented 2nd rounders. that much we know and without practicing at those positions and also learned 3 other positions he's never played before. the guy that makes the least and can do the most. that's dedication and talent.

 

You are so weird. A report that Pouncey had to ride him to work out from years ago outweighs a report from Foster that he was hurt last year. He has the right attitude, so let's blast him for having the wrong attitude years ago. Oh, Beachum didn't need an extra year or two to have the right attitude, so screw Gilbert. Not everything is a competition with your beloved Beachum. Why do you have these agendas you stick to (pro-Scott, pro-Essex, anti-Starks, pro-Beachum, anti-Gilbert), instead of just looking at what's in front of you? And you can't believe they would play a guy hurt and leave his healthy backup on the bench? Are you kidding? What, you've never seen that before? It happens on every team, all the time. Probably just about every game.

 

pro scott? pro Essex? starks made that case on his own as we saw last year as he was cut from every team. you and Colbert are the only guys to see such a talent that couldn't even stick with another team because he was that bad. I look pretty smart on that one after all your arguing about max. all I ever said about scott was, he was as good as starks so I'm now pro scott? you couldn't get off that before either.

I hated Essex from the time Colbert made the pick. he did however show up when we needed him as a backup on the interior.

gilbert has shown very little in 3 years, except for the fact that he can't play LT so we need to force him in at RT. the heck with our franchise qb taking a beating and having to take hits and get rid of the ball faster than he wants to. you really can't say he's such a good run blocker either because we haven't been a good running team for several years.

as for adams we are not talking about some lifetime backup not starting for an injured guy that we see every game in the NFL, we are talking about a 2nd rd. draft choice that started the season as a starter at LT and played well at RT before an injury. yeah I like beachum and he's been a pretty good constant at either tackle spot something we haven't seen from our other want to be tackles that you seem to think will be better eventually because now we have the right coach for them. bull cukky.


I'm weird? I guess it's weird then, to want a good o-line for your team instead of having to keep waiting for these guys to show what they really are made of? as you keep insisting. you show me where they have proven a capability of being good linemen so far. all you seem to do is bark that one of our good ones isn't the right guy and these sub par players are better. now that's weird.