Would you trade down to #30?

dysert was not near the qb jones is. he also had a partially torn hammy before the combine. he was not as big nor did he have as strong of an arm. jones was ranked as the 4th best of that class by many top qb coaches and scouts. that was a minimum 2nd rd. grade. we got jones in the 4th which was a steal. we liked his deep and middle range a lot. the kid started for 4 years and set records and threw for nearly 17,000 yards. we got one heck of a deal in the 4th round for him. I also hope we never have to use him until ben hangs em up but that's not really realistic.

 

How can you honestly say the 4th is too early to draft a backup? Seriously?

brian st Pierre was a 5th, drafted as a backup, and rarely saw the field. 4th vs 5th..... That's 32 spots give or take..... What's the difference? Neither will see the field except for spot duty

 

I seen a mock that had the dolphins coming up to 15 to take a left tackle and us going back to 19 and still getting fuller. picking up a second and getting Matthews and moncreif.lol first question is would we get a second to drop 4 spots and is that not a grand slam if we can get those 3 in the first 2 rounds?

 

why be mad at the player and dump on him? Colbert did the deed, just like many of his failed drafts. he also spent two picks on a punter that never worked out. heck I question the first round pick more than that one. we took a corner in the 5th. is that where jones should have gone? at least jones is still here on the team and our 5th round corner never saw the field, nor is he on the team. our 6th never got on the field either or made the 53. Williams did but not brown.

it's hard to tell about jones coming from that system. it's a cause for a high interception rate in the spread because of so many throws. the kid won a lot of games there you can't deny that. he threw for a ton of yards and TD's , you can't deny that. ben is aging and you can't deny that either. gradkowski is not the superstar backup that most are making him out to be. a young qb in the pipeline is not a bad thing to have.

sure he may have some things to work on but that's why he fell to the 4th. we can't hold him to the standard of a first rounder or he would have gone there. I believe he will eventually outplay grad and become bens backup which for a 4th round pick that isn't a bad thing. nobody knew a record number of soph. and jrs. would come out this year and all be ranked around the 3rd pick. we deal with it. they knew we would get one for Wallace and we did. make it count and this is a non issue.

all we get is the possibility of a good qb. we have no idea what will become of ben throughout the season. or if grad can carry us to some wins if something happens. I feel better with jones behind him though. he can throw the ball, I saw that in the preseason. hopefully with a year in the offense he gets better. there was no guarantee that any other pick would have made the team.

 

how many 4th round picks are starting for us currently?

 

it just seems that his game is being picked on to justify that it was a bad pick. I wasn't aiming it at just you either elvis, several people are picking at how much the kid is a waste it seems like. we don't have a ton of 4th round picks over the years that we have groomed into starters on the team. more like decent players that have a role. I think he fits right into that scenario.

 

a punter is a necessary evil too, you just hope he never sees the field though. maybe they see something in his game that they think they can build on for something in the future. his quick throwing style he played in college sort of mirrors what they want to now do here under TH. that's what I first noticed about him.

 

Yeah, I quit watching the draft last year when we passed and Baltimore picked him.
Two steps backward.
Could have phased from Aaron Smith, to Keisel, to Simon beginning this year.

 

we don't know if the shark is starting or not. there is a lot of talk of him being the nickel back this year.

as far as the position, we needed one. ours were well past playing days. I see no problem with it. it's easy to go back and say we could have taken this guy or that one. we will still have a need for a 2-3 qb in the future too, why not one we groomed?

 

Elvis, thanks for sharing your thoughts and analysis,

 

to the 2007 draft, and 4th round moves, I think there were 2 decisions made:
1)drafting a punter with 112(round 4)pick of nfl draft
2)trading 192(6th round( and 119 (round 4) pick for a 112 (round 4) pick.

 

Yeah, but a punter that lasts a long time and plays good ball is worth it. I don't value the position a ton, but I also don't buy into the argument that anyone can do it and it doesn't really matter ("We won the Super Bowl with Mitch Berger, so..." We also won the same Super Bowl with Darnell Stapleton at guard. Doesn't mean the OG position is meaningless). A good punter can really help your team, a bad one can hurt it, and it's nice to have stability at the position. Some people disagree about how good Sep really was. I think he was plenty good enough, it was only his health that failed him. I'm sure when they made the choice to take him, they envisioned him still punting for us in 2017. I know I did. Had that been the case, who would have cared if we spent a 4th rounder on him? Given the amount of success most 4th rounders have, that would have to be considered a good investment. Of course, his knee simply didn't allow that success to happen in the long run.

 

i gotta hand it to those steelers, thinking outside the box!

 

I think the best Shamarko is likely to do this season is nickel back (unless one of our starting safeties goes down with an injury). Not saying that's nothing though.

I never liked the Landry pick from the beginning. For what it's worth, Tomlin said at the time that they took him because they thought the value was just too good to pass up. Maybe they were trying to make a Charlie Whitehurst "He's gonna blow you away in the preseason and we'll trade him for a 2nd" kind of pick. That kind of move is too risky for me, but everyone starts massaging Bill Belichik's balls when the Patriots take Ryan Mallet. This seems like an identical move.

I haven't given up. There's a lot to like about Landry. He could get it together. Still has a couple years to prove he's worth something.