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The Walking Dead (no comics spoilers)

Discussion in 'The Watercooler' started by Ray D, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I don't trust terminus, something off about that place.

    Showdown coming between Ricks group and the guys Daryl is with.

    Wonder where the heck Beth is! No mention of her since she was kidnapped.
     
  2. pjgruden

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    I can't get a pulse on Terminus yet either. I think it might not be that bad, but when Daryl's group sees Rick it's gonna get dicey. No clue at all about Beth. I kind of forgot about her this episode, honestly.
    Curious about how far behind the other three groups are right now. I would assume that maybe Tyrese and Carol are the furthest behind because they stopped for a few days.
    As for Terminus, is there anyone else there? Or just that one woman? And another thing, I didn't see them close any of the gates. Did they just let the walkers in?
     
  3. Blast Furnace

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    Thats what I am saying, no one watching the gates, not even chained, weird. Think you are right about Carol and Tyrese, probably last.
     
  4. Ray D

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    Terminus is shady at BEST.

    Where the frell is everyone? Gates aren't guarded or fortified. One crazy hippie old lady? (Tasha Yar has seen better days)

    I don't trust it one bit. As someone else said in another forum: "That better not be Beth on the grill."
     
  5. SteelinOhio

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    Yeah, regarding Terminus; on Talking Dead they had a poll about Terminus that was something like (going from memory):

    What is Terminus going to be:

    A. Safe haven
    B. Another Woodbury
    C. Worse than Woodbury

    or something like that. In the words of Han Solo, "I've got a bad feeling about this."
     
  6. TerribleTowelFlying

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    :lol:

    My money's on C.
     
  7. SteelinOhio

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    Yeah, that's kind of what I'm expecting. Then throw the feud between Rick and The Sons of Liberty into the mix and it could get real ugly real fast.
     
  8. Blast Furnace

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    Could very well be a meat processing plant, think about how much of a food shortage there is, damn thats a dark thought :eek:

    Even the name of the place is foreboding, I know what Terminus means but sits a little too close to terminal for me.

    Run away from the light!
     
  9. steelersrock151

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    Im thinking that Carol and Tyrese are ahead of Rick's group, who's obviously ahead of Darrel's group. The place where the railroad tracks go into the bushes in the scene with the candy bars/balancing looks a lot like the spot where Carol's group leaves the tracks for the "look at the flowers lizzie" scene. Also, assuming that the smoke/burning zombies from that show were a result of Darrel's torching the southern mansion with the moonshine, that puts them at least a day ahead of Darrel, with Rick's group in between.
     
  10. Ray D

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    Thinking of the group Daryl is now with, what do we know of them as fact?

    They're a rough bunch. Yes. But are they necessarily evil or hostile?

    They have a set of rules that are simple, yet harshly punished if broken. (Hehe, a society built on calling shotgun).

    Just considering the alternative for a few moments...

    Our first meeting with them, Rick never even sees them when they come in the home. He quickly hides (reasonable and appropriate) and hears some commotion going on downstairs. A man can be heard begging "please, no no no," and then a scream of pain. Having gone through what Rick has, and considering past history with other outsider bands, this isn't a good sign to Rick.

    Then he gets trapped when a man comes in and lies down on the bed. He hears one man exclaim how a woman has been in the house recently and he's going to claim her if they find her. (Along with some lewd comments). Then someone else enters the room and tells the man taking a nap to get out. The man protests that he claimed the bed. Second man tells him he don't care and GTFO. Scuffle ensues and the first man is choked out.

    Now, if we're in Rick's shoes, these people are animals. We need to do whatever it takes to get out of dodge fast (and before Carl and Michonne come back).

    So Rick panicked. (Understandable) Went into fight or flight mode (also reasonable). When cornered in the bathroom with no time to ask questions (and already in fear), he just attacks and kills the guy - considering the circumstances through his eyes, very appropriate. He leaves the door open knowing the guy would turn so they would become distracted and he can make his escape.

    The next time we see them, they are carefully approaching Daryl from all sides, weapons drawn. But they don't harm Daryl. They don't even rob him. They use a little intimidation at first until the leader, Joe, decides that's enough of that. They invite him into the fold.

    What if I told you that Len (the POS having conflict with Daryl in the last episode. Now deceased) was BOTH the same guy mouthing off about claiming that woman, AND the one who choked out the poor napping guy? That's all but been confirmed (meaning, plenty of people have made solid cases for it on fan sites. The show hasn't confirmed it yet to my knowledge). So not only was Len a lying, conniving POS, but he also held little respect for the rules if HE wanted something, and in short, he was just an a-hole.

    Who was the guy begging, then screaming in pain? He was one of their own. What if, just... what if... they had to treat an injury (like putting his shoulder back in its socket) or he had a bum tooth, so they held him down to yank it? It's not like they can go down to the dentist to have a root canal. (Something I'm amazed the show hasn't touched on yet.) Or hell... maybe he broke a rule.

    Obviously these guys are not "nice." But could they be better than what meets first impression? Joe, especially, seems interesting.

    Or not. for all we know, Terminus is a cannibal camp, and Joe's group herds people to them. LOL
     
  11. pjgruden

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    You make some good points about Joe's group. Daryl really hasn't had a problem with anyone but Len. It's concievable that the rest of the group isn't all that bad. Joe's rules actually make a good deal of sense when everything in the world has gone to hell. I can see why Joe would be pissed at Rick for letting that dude turn. It's like attacking them indirectly.
    Without giving too much away, you mentioned Terminus could possibly be a canibal camp. I believe that issue is brought up in the comic at some point, but I just can't see them following that storyline on tv. Perhaps that's just a little too taboo.
    I can only imagine that the finale is going to be wild. There was too much happiness last week. I also wouldn't be surprised if Maggie died, since she burned her picture. Perhaps it was a bit of forshadowing.
    And now I'm thinking about it again, where's Beth. Will we ever see her again?
     
  12. SteelinOhio

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    Yeah, that occurred to me, too. It just seemed too direct a thing to say to not be some type of foreshadowing. Who knows? As far as Beth, I'd hope that we'll see or hear something about her before the end of the finale.
     
  13. Ray D

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    Yeah, I'm just spit balling.

    That group is not a gentleman's club for sure. Just curious where the story will lead and if things may not be as they seem. But if they turn out to be pure savages, it wouldn't surprise me either.

    I'm hoping Beth is not in danger. But I'm not kidding when I say that I fear she's what's for dinner. Ok, maybe I'm kidding a little.
     
  14. Blast Furnace

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    Would be even worse if they eat her before finding out the truth :eek:
     
  15. Ray D

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    Yeah.....

    If the spoiler I heard is even remotely true, forget everything I said about the "claimers." No decency to be found there at all.

    No. I won't repeat it. ;)
     
  16. pjgruden

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    I'm thinking your rumors were pretty accurate...
     
  17. TerribleTowelFlying

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    This episode is disappointing me, but I think the "grilling Beth" joke may have been close to the truth. :eek:
     
  18. pjgruden

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    Yeah, I was completely underwhelmed by this episode. I dunno why. This also wasn't as action packed as they led us to believe on Talking Dead. Hell, I think this could have been the worst episode of the season. No one from the main cast died (that we know of), and we still don't have a clue about Beth or where Tyrese and Carol are. I get the point of the flashbacks, but there were way too many of them. They could have accomplished this with one flashback, not the four that we had.
     
  19. Blast Furnace

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    Sick bastard, I dont have a problem with that :lolol:

    They are definitely cooking people there, sure hope Beth was taken by someone else and not on the menu.

    Episode wasn't as action packed as they led us to believe but still liked it, scene where Rick rips the guys throat out and they kill everyone was intense. :eek:
     
  20. Ray D

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    Yes, the spoiler was accurate. (Not that hard to suss out considering glimpses from several foreign previews matched storyboard for storyboard with almost the exact same sequence from the comics). The rest of the episode?

    Kind of anti-climatic.

    They even managed to figure out that they were being herded... then let themselves get herded anyway.

    I still think Terminus is a cannibal camp. They keep their "livestock" in the train cars until butchering time. Even Rick took a sharp notice to the, er, umm... discarded leftover body parts in that scrap heap.

    I'm guessing Carol and Tyrese haven't arrived yet. Beth must be elsewhere. (I hope)

    From what I could tell, Terminus has maybe 20-30 main residents. Over half of them older women. Yeah, they just REALLY messed with the wrong people.
     
  21. SteelinOhio

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    I thought it was a decent episode, but I agree that for a season finale, it was pretty anticlimactic.

    I'm disappointed that there was hardly any mention of Beth, except when Daryl told Rick she was "gone." I did like getting to see a little more of Hershel, though.

    The ending gave you a good feeling that Rick was back to his former take-charge self, and that things are going to heat up, but it just left off kind of flat at that point.
     
  22. niterider

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    I liked the episode personally. The last line sucked though. I expected a better parting line than : Whelps, the gang is back together!
     
  23. Thor

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    I liked the episode as well, and agree that is fell a little flat as a finale per se. But this, imo, is due to the rest of the season. I haven't liked it much, just too much him-hawing around the prison, to closing the Guv's storyline (which wasn't that bad), to devoting far too much time to zooming in on the group's individual mindset. Character development does not need to come at the expense of other actions/occurrences. Some of the episodes in the latter half just draagggged for me.

    And some of the dialogue/action starting feeling forced: the Beth/Daryl episode; Maggie leaving Sasha and Bob only to lie on the pavement in a town waiting for Sasha ("I know I can't ask you to risk your life for me.. but then I can", or something like that); Glenn seeing a sign from Maggie and pulling a Forrest Gump, running down the tracks to end a scene (only to reappear walking with the group again the next); the shootout in the tunnel where Glenn refused to leave Tara might have been alright, but it was too obvious that Abraham's group noticed they'd lagged and would likely show up to save the day; then Maggie's line about burning her picture "because you'll never need it again." Lol, but I digress.

    I really like the show; this season just frustrated me. I tend to suspend disbelief easier when there's more going on. This season I kept catching myself grouching halfway through several episodes. The finale was good, but should have been more the norm, so the "finale" itself could have, in the words of Emeril, kicked it up a notch. Bam!
     
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  24. Blast Furnace

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    Really? I thought the season was very good. Only one episode that was pretty boring, the Daryl/Beth one but I still liked it because you learned a lot about Daryl. I like the character development, not every show has to be running for your life and getting munched on by zombies. The show is as much about relationships as it is zombies.
     
  25. Thor

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    Agreed, but my comments didn't go against this. I think it's just personal preference as to how they go about it. For me, I think the show hovered a bit too long with certain scenes/episodes fleshing out (no pun intended) character traits I feel they could have adequately conveyed in less time.
     

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