woodley now a raider

thats all all I was trying to say

 

There's a difference between legitimate criticisms and unnecessary insults. There does seem to be some corroboration for Woodley being lazy, having a poor work ethic, etc. and therefore he should be criticized for that. On the other hand, personal insults are out of line. Unless we're talking about Mike Wallace, of course, LOL.

 

Hahahaha here here!

 

I wish Woodley luck he was a good Steeler when healthy.

 

All that said, with both Hampton and Woodley now gone, I do worry for Pittsburgh's local fast food economy.

 

Capital

 

You would have thought the Raiders
are tired of getting taken advantage of?
I guess not, there is a fool born everyday!

 

Woodley was super-productive when Harrison was playing like a beast on the other side. Look at the stats - as soon as Harrison's production went down, so did Woodley's. Woodley is a great number 2 pass rusher because of his strength one-on-one. When he is the number one pass rusher he struggles because he is not fast enough to avoid double teams.

 

I worry about our run defense... Woodely and Hampton were our best run stuffers...

 

He was the best of the best and was the Pittsburgh Steelers in every way.

Sad it came to this but that's reality, I guess.

You know he's feeling it.

I Don't wish him any luck, prefer just to remember his time here as the beast wreaking havoc at his best.

 

That's not true. Woodley was a great pass rusher all by himself. One team can have two, and for awhile we did. Of course rushing opposite James Harrison, one of the best pass rushers in NFL history during his peak years, made LaMarr better. No duh. But you can still look at LaMarr by himself.

For example, in 2011 (post-new contract), Harrison's production dipped all the way to zero when he was out for 4 weeks. Out for the same 4 weeks was Jason Worilds. Woodley was rushing opposite an out of position Lawrence Timmons, who offered virtually nothing as a pass rush the entire time.

In the 3.5 games Woodley was out there, he racked up 7.5 sacks and two points. Really it was 8.5 sacks when you include the intentional grounding safety he forced. If you extrapolate that production into a 16 game season, it's 39 sacks - and 4 safeties.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrJa23/gamelog/2011/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WoodLa99/gamelog/2011/

Of course, then he injured his hamstring, which is why we're calling him a lazy, unproductive bastard. He missed time in each of the last three years, all post-contract. In those three years, he averaged just over 11 games per season. Was it due to conditioning? All of it? Would you say the same about Troy? Because he gets injured like nobody's business, and I don't question his conditioning. I don't see other people doing it either. I also don't see them calling him lazy or purely money-motivated.

And how often was Casey Hampton out injured? Over the last three seasons of his career here, he averaged almost 15 games per season. Does anyone, including Casey's dearest loved ones, think he gave anything resembling an effort to keep his body well-conditioned?

Then there were people just saying he looked fat. I don't really get that, because he looked like he always looked. He was a 270 lb. linebacker. He was a big guy, not a James Harrison. That was his thing. Big, run stuffing, lumbering power guy, who didn't drop into coverage as much and took on the power RTs. He was like that the year before his contract, too. And remember when that anonymous teammate called his work ethic into question? As the following season began, the chatter then was that he was in excellent shape - he'd really worked hard to prove the media wrong. Same result, though. Another injury.

Like everybody else, I was clamoring for LaMarr to do something different in his offseasons. I figured (and still do) that maybe he really was working his hardest, but he was doing the wrong stuff. Go work out with Ike Taylor, he's never hurt. Was he doing anything different from his first 4 years, when he missed almost no games? I don't know. That's the question. Either way, it would be nice if people could wrap their heads around the fact that injuries sometimes just happen, no matter what you do. And not just freak injuries like concussions on big hits, but even muscle pulls. Sometimes the timing is bad. Sometimes they happen after a big contract is signed. I don't remember anyone complaining about Willie Colon's offseason conditioning. I think his issues began about 2 minutes after he signed a big contract. Oh, Aaron Smith, anyone? That POS couldn't stay on the field to save his life! Just coasting on the Steelers' payroll after a couple SB wins, I suppose.

Maybe some of it was his conditioning. Maybe. There's no way we can know that for sure, and it seems almost impossible that it was all because of conditioning. And one would think that when the injury pattern remained consistent after the team publicly praised his conditioning, people might start to look elsewhere for answers. One would be wrong, I guess. Lazy bastard.

 

Love the depth and thank you.

Screw him it's a business.

Blah blah blah steelers blah blah Peyton Brady blah blah. It's a business.
Woodley left because the pay didn't equal the work. Business.

 

I don't really understand this.

 

Maybe I'm getting you wrong but it seems as though you are giving a reason/justification of his woes after the contract.

I was only try to say that these things are trivial because, as you said, who knows why it happened. The debate of his decline in play isnt why it did but because it just did.

Mid I am missing the point let me know.

 

Good to see you back around the forums and on form, btw.

 

Snack, there are reports out there that his own teammates thought he was a "lazy bastard". I know, I know. Can't believe what we read!

 

Wow snack! Nice analysis. I just felt he benefited from the attention being paid to Harrison. His best years were also Harrison's best years. Maybe it was all about the injuries. Whatever it was, I think we can agree that he was a disappointment once he got the big contract.

 

Okay, I just didn't understand what you were saying. You're right that it doesn't really matter why he wasn't living up to his contract. He wasn't on the field so he had to go. End of story. I suppose it bothers me that so many people insist that they do know, and their reasoning isn't even very sound. He always seemed like a good Steeler to me.