gay basher

he bashed some people this past year and the numbers show it. gay was a great re-sign and we should be happy he's back.http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/02/steelers-end-of-season-player-exit-meetings-cb-william-gay/

he's become our deshea townsend.

 

i thought was a thread about sam

 

Yeah, me too.

 

I agree but he does use some pff stats with his opinion. I never have agreed with some of their opinions over there, but some is pretty knowledgeable. I still see gay as the new deshea too. our best 3rd option able to start for short stints if needed. he'll be a big help to the youngsters.

 

This article is precisely why I never wanted Gay to go to Arizona. So glad he is back. He is doing a decent job as the article points out

Welcome back William Your not the only Gay in the league

Bman

 

IMO Gay is exactly what he looks like....a #3 CB who can step into the #2 role for a game here or there against the right opponent, but will get exposed by truly elite QBs.

This to me is the problem with where we are right now....Allen is a #2. Gay is a #3. Ike "might" be a #3, but is more likely a #4 who is getting paid like a #1. We have no #1.

 

Which is why we need to pick up a CB in the draft. Likely we wont go first round because good CBs generally can be picked up in 3 and 4th rounds

Bman

 

Absolutely. It took Gay 5 years to get it together. It took Keenan Lewis 3-4 years, and if you ask me Allen has a higher ceiling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take a big step forward.

 

I wouldn't expect anything less tbh, and I think he's up and ready for it.

 

I think we double-dip at the CB position in this draft as well as taking a S probably.

 

To be fair, he showed up better when Lake started working with him. He's missing the physical talent, but Lake has gotten him into the fundamentals which have made up for his skill set. Safety play was horrible this year though.

 

Gay should be our #3 CB not a starter though, he had a good season last year better than Ike.

 

I would still cut Gay and not think twice about it.....Every year he is on the roster is another year taken away from youth....Gay is an above average corner...which is not a bad thing in the NFL...means out of every corner in the NFL...I think he is better than over half of them. But I want a corner that can either shut down a WR...or create turnovers......Gay really can't do either....he is known as a tackler...who occasionally misses to many tackles....I thought about moving him to FS...but not sure thats the answer either.

HACK

 

gay is a good 3rd cb. if the youth is so good, he should start opposite cortez allen. then we need one to take Curtis browns spot and antwone blakes spot. I hope we see several as priority UDFA's. we need a safety for troy and let Thomas start. we also need some comp. for golden. same way bring in several UDFA's to look at.

I'm tired of so many special team only backups at every position. it used to be you had one extra ST leader. we have 10 it seems like and they can't backup a position well enough to even give a guy a breather. Sylvester, brown, blake, carter, Paulson, golden, greene, Wilson, dvd. surely we can find better, if not keep trying. with clark leaving, we need gay right now. some of these others though, I'd definitely like to get younger and different.

 

I just don't see how people can have it both ways....Everything I read rips DL and the Steelers for not getting Worilds on the field more until it was to late....not getting the young guys reps

The same was said of Lewis last year......well the reason Lewis didn't see the field more was because of William Gay on the roster....as soon as Gay was in AZ...Lewis suddenly became "the man"

Gay is a good corner...but he will never be more than he is right now....which is serviceable...he will never be a shut down blanket corner...or an INT machine (6 in 7 years)

Lewis was more shut down than Gay...and Tez Allen is a turnover machine in comparison. I have no problem with Gay as the 4th or 5th Corner as insurance and even #3 because the youth isn't bringing it....but to enter any season with Gay as "the plan" is just ignoring the talent level.

HACK

 

Problem was Allen wasn't ready to start until midway through the season. What other option was there? The rookies didn't pan out so that left Gay. If he wasn't there who do you go to that could step in and do the work?

 

I'm with both of you. I've never liked Gay but I certainly admit that he didn't look like his old self this year. The good thing about Will Allen is that he has ball skills. I've never been a big fan of Ike because I've always felt that it wasn't that he was necessarily a shutdown corner but that we had a shutdown front 7 that covered his inadequacies. I could be wrong, but I've just always felt that way and also he seems to get a lot of PI when he gets beat as well but I'd rather that happen than a big td so I digress. I honestly wouldn't care if we took a corner first this year. I did see a story the other day that Cortez said that he wants to "be like Ike" so if he has his work ethic I would be happy about that and Ike does seem to have a good influence on the younger guys.

 

you have to remember Curtis brown was drafted ahead of tez and supposed to be the next guy up. brown hasn't lived up to expectations and should have been gone last year. tez passed him and did see some field time. both had injuries the last couple of years also which kept them off the field.

also let's not forget gay started early as a rookie because of the injuries to McFadden, who was supposed to be the next man up. Terrence Fredrick was dumped before the season started and hawthorne was dumped before the season started as two draft picks that went nowhere. gay was needed and he was needed again last year.

this is why I liken gay to deshea townsend. he was always the 3rd corner, spot starter, until his final couple of years. he never was great when he had to start, but didn't kill you. his best play came from being the nickel corner and that's what gays role is supposed to be.

the steelers drafting of McFadden, fredrick, hawthorne, brown and there injuries and failures made gay an unexpendable guy for us. same as it is for lewis' first 3 years where he didn't look to hot when he did play. gay has been a constant for us as had ike. they have been pretty injury free and that put them on the field more. I for one am glad we have him, but I agree hack he shouldn't be starting and I don't think that was the plan when they brought him back. bringing McFadden back the second time was a huge mistake and kept gay here longer. it also kept another younger guy off the field then because he was the younger guy.

 

That's how I remember it Mac . Gay is not blowing it up but he is doing an ok job for a guy that was cast off and brought back again . I know some see him as someone that is easily torched but I don't see it that way.. He is a sure tackler and probably the best tackler on the team.. Others could certainly learn from his approach.. He needs more interceptions but then again who on this team is intercepting ? His pass defense is good and solo tackles are good. I like his numbers.

People use to get at Deshea as well and talk about how he got torched. Blah blah blah.. DT had a nose for the ball.

We need to get a # 1 and someone that is a solid #2..

Bman