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Does Super bowl 48 signal a return to Steeler football or?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by thorn058, Feb 5, 2014.

  1. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    Impossible to say because we DO NOT play that kind of defense.

    Ask me again when our DBs aren't 10-15 yards off the LOS and conceding everything underneath. Until then, it's apples and oranges.
     
  2. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I know everyone likes saying our DBs only play 15 yards deep, but let me ask this: how many times did you notice hits to the helmet that weren't called during the SB? How many of those do you think the Steelers would have gotten away with?
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I don't want to take anything away from Seattles defense, it is very good but the more that game gets dissected, the more I think the outcome could have very easily been different if just some of those calls were made. Get a couple PF penalties, tack on 15 yards, Seattle defenders tone it down and Peyton goes to work. The refs really screwed Denver.

    Someone on here said that Peyton will win because the refs will make sure of it, um, not quite, just the opposite.
     
  4. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    Let's not confuse the issue here when I started the thread I wasn't talking about what the Seahawks do schematically or their playbook, in that regard Tarheelflyer and others are right the Steelers don't have the personnel to match what the Seahawks do. What I'm really getting at is that they went into the game saying we will give Manning the short completions but we are going to hit those receivers and hit them hard. They were going to make the Broncos pay a physical toll for every play. This is the way the Steelers used to play on both sides of the ball. They said you may beat us but in doing so it is going to hurt. They were more physical and punishing something that seems to be regulated out of their game because th he league wants to stress player safety.

    I think TTF and BF are 100% correct had it been the Steelers in that game playing similarly they would have been penalized more and the outcome different.
     
  5. Diamond

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    Why is it, that after every superbowl the losers complain about the refs? I live in Arizona and for two years after we beat the cards the fans here was still saying Holmes didn't toe tap in the endzone when clearly the replay showed he did. And, refs cant make enough bad or missed calls to give any team a 35 point win margin in any game, let alone a superbowl, Denvers defense got away with as many non called penalties as seattle, it averaged out, the only difference was seattle was bigger faster stronger and more physical than Denver, and that was the margin of victory in this game, that and Seattles offense scored 34 points and peytons offense didn't score enough to stay in the game..........
     
  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    In order to be complaining, I'd have to care about the outcome, so you're wrong, I'm just making an observation. You can't touch a player in the helmet with a feather these days, so don't tell me that wasn't odd.
     
  7. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Exactly! Saying that proves you've got a dog in the fight. WTH do I care about either one of those teams? I've hated the Broncos all my life.
     
  8. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Really? Why hate on the Elway Broncos? I always liked them actually. What made you not like them so much? Maybe everyone has a team that for whatever reason they just hate. I've always hated the fins and have no real reason to. I just can't stand them and I couldn't stand Dan Marino. Maybe it was because I liked Montana. Also I hated the Giants with every bone of my body as well. Maybe that's because I sorta liked the Bills. I'm just curious is all. Also the Seahawks had twice as many penalties for over twice as many yds in this game so I'm not getting how the refs helped them. I have the game on my dvr and could you guys give examples of how they were going helmet to helmet? I honestly didn't notice that and I thought the hawks played a pretty clean but nasty game.
     
  9. Rush2seven

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    Maybe it is just John Fox. Because I remember the superbowl with the Panthers vs Patriots where the refs "let them play." I felt at the time that the Patriots D was getting away with certain plays that were called during the regular season. The difference, was that game was close. Had some of those plays during this superbowl been called, the score might have been different, but I don't think there's a chance there would have been a different outcome. Might the Broncos have put a few more points on the board? Perhaps, but that wouldn't have changed the 9 points they spotted the Seahawks at the beginning of both halves.
     
  10. thorn058

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    The play that took Moreno out of the game. One guy hit him lower back to shoulder with a shoulder tackle (legal) other guy hit him upper back shoulder led with the crown of his helmet not his shoulder. At the time Moreno was facing the LOS and had his back to defenders catching a pass. Numerous games this season those types of hits and less violent ones were flagged under the defenseless receiver rule
     
  11. Diamond

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    If the broncos are smart looking out for their future they should release PM and his big 20 million salary cap and start their future QB Brock Osweiller, he's been an under study for two years and only counts 550 K against their salary cap for the next two years with the rookie salary cap: That would free up enough cap space to fill the holes they have on defense and offense: Osweiller is 6-8 athletic with a big arm who can scramble when plays break down, keeping him on the bench only hurts their chances to improve this team in areas that need to be addressed in this off season....
     
  12. blountforcetrauma

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    What was funny about that hit was that I thought they hurt his back and then Aikman said "you can see that his ankle rolled up" and I figured I must've been wrong. Then later in the broadcast they said it was his back. But if that hit was really that bad then you'd think Troy would have seen it. I remember what hit you're talking about but I didn't think it was a dirty one. I didn't notice the guy leading with his helmet but I can see what you're saying. Just out of curiosity have there been any stories on the officiating in this game or is it just a discussion among fans? Most of the post game chat has seemed to be about their d and peyton's legacy. I don't think there was anything close to the level of crappy officiating like at the end of the rats/9ers game.
     
  13. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    There were a few helmet to helmet hits that weren't called. Look for them in the first half. I can't say exactly when, and there's no way I'm going back to see where. I already suffered through that snooze fest once. I'm not the only one who noticed them, but I feel like this is as far as I can proceed in this discussion due to your extreme bias BFT LOL.

    I've always hated the Broncos. Mostly because of a friend of mine growing up I guess. He was obsessed with the Broncos and was such a Steelers hater. Sports in general would turn him into a giant prick actually. That, and Mike Shanahan's weasel face I think.
     
  14. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    Nothing dirty about it in fact three or four years ago that's a solid football play but with the emphasis on player safety I have seen lesser hits flagged for unnecessary roughness. Basically the refs let them play and that is what prompted the thread. The punishment dished out by the Seahawks was almost like Steeler football.
     
  15. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I said this the day after the SB. our DB's wouldn't have stood a chance of no PF's. they have called them on us for two years now trying to break our will of that style of play, yet we see the seachickens get away with the same. the refs now dictate what teams win by it and I believe that wholeheartedly. it all come from the top too.:cool:
     
  16. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    I promise I'm really not trying to be bias but I can see how you would think I am because I'm such a peyton heyton(see what I did there) machine. I'm being totally honest when I say that I don't recall any hits but I really will go back and watch it to see that. Not a single person has yet to address the fact that the hawks had twice as many penalties in the game though. Also as far as Shanahan goes I used to like him when he was with the broncos but then he went to the skins and for some reason I just turned on him and I am now firmly in your camp as far as he goes. I think he wishes there was a tanning bed on the sidelines. LOL.
     
  17. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    It's been addressed in a different thread somewhat. I don't think anyone's saying they weren't flagged. When were they flagged? Mostly early on or mostly later on? To the point of how many yards they were penalized...so? If you steal everyday, but only get in trouble once a month...is that the only stealing that matters? Take the blue and green glasses off! I kid, I kid. :lolol:
     
  18. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    LOL. I just watched every first half Denver play and the only play I could see where they maybe missed one was when he tried to hit Julius Thomas on a crossing route and Earl Thomas impeded the route but they didn't call it. Seattle had a personal foul on the kickoff when their guy rammed a dude in the end zone for no reason whatsoever. There was one play where manning hit moreno and he got swung around to be tackled and a hawk was coming down and their helmets met but the announcers didn't even mention it. It was incidental. Those were literally the only plays in the first half where I could see that they MIGHT could have been penalties. The hawks d I don't think got penalized for anything in that half. I was fast forwarding between denver plays though. Also I just watched the play where moreno got hurt and both guys led with their shoulders and contacted him with their shoulders. Seattle had an offsides in the second half. I've literally not seen one single helmet to helmet through 2.5 quarters. Denver had a PF for unnecessary roughness on the Thomas fumble. So they actually were calling PFs in the game and PIs as well. Near the end of the 3rd Maxwell was called for PI on Thomas. Actually without that PI they would've shut them out probably. They missed a PI on the td pass to Thomas though but that was a moot point. Another PI called on Thurmond against Thomas. I have now watched every play and I have no idea how anyone could say officiating played ANY role in this game. What a GREAT Super Bowl! LOL!
     
  19. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I'm really bummed...why did I think you were going to come back with 'OMG, I didn't notice how much the Seahawks got away with!' :lolol: Enjoy the rest of the game, but I think I said earlier that I was out of this thread... :roflmao:
     
  20. blountforcetrauma

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    I give you my word that if I had seen them, and I also give you my solemn word that I was looking for them, I would have agreed with you. You can read my whole post now because I was updating it through the game when I would see penalties. They called a few PIs on Seattle actually.
     
  21. darcrav

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    I remember seeing questionable hits and thinking the same thing
    that if it was a Steeler chances are the flag would've been thrown.

    there were some helmet to helmet for sure
    why
    why hasn't any fines been levied on them even when there was no flag

    NEVER STOPPED THE NFL BEFORE!!!!!!!
     
  22. Wardismvp

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    Just keeping it real, something some of you guys
    don't do.LOL. Oh wait a minute aren't you the guy
    that thinks every kid playing gets a trophy?
    Just as I suspected.
     
  23. Blast Furnace

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    You're missing them because you can't take your eyes off of all the Brady posters in your room.
     
  24. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    No I took my dvr to a separate room to rewatch it and look for the all the imaginary no calls just so I wouldn't be tempted. LOL. I rewatched the whole thing and there was literally zero helmet to helmet hits. So when freak comes over to watch it with me it will be my 3rd time! I can't wait! LOL!
     
  25. MeanJoeBlue

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    There were two defenses on the field during that game. More attention should be paid to the fact that Denver's defense had trouble slowing down Seattle's offense.

    Instead of requiring the Steelers to play more like Seattle, I would be happy if they played less like Denver! Shoulder bumps to try to knock down the ball carrier, rather than tackling (which led to a lot of YAC). Attempts at "big hits", which led to big plays when they whiffed. Relying on winning 1-on-1 plays, rather than having multiple defensive players swarming to assist the first defender.
     

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