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Great Article on Jason Worlids and I could't agree more

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by lersgofor7, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    They didn't.
     
  2. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    We obviously have different ideas as to what constitutes being picked apart. Terrel Pryor throws for 88 yards in a game and you use him to bolster an argument. Same thing with cassel. The guy is 16 of 25 or some nonsense and you use him as well. For crying out loud Allen misses a tackle on a 5 yard pass turn g it to 70 yards and you blame dl. We got a lot of playing g time by rookies in 2013 and our defense suffered. You finally get what you want with predictable results and you claim dl has been figured out. It makes zero sense unless 1+1 now equals 3.
     
  3. SteelerGlenn

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    Why? Another chance to incorporate song lyrics into one of her posts, Duh!
     
  4. JackAttack 5958

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    The last couple of seasons, DL's defense has not been as effective as it used to be. I've even heard other players and coaches talk about how the Steelers defense is not that complicated once you get it figured out. It seems we have one blitz scheme we run over and over and that's a cross blitz with the ILBs that, from my observation, always seems to get picked up easily by the interior of the offensive line. We'll throw in a corner blitz or a Troy "do your thing" blitz on occasion but those have lost their effectiveness as well. DL has also been deciphered in the passing game. He's got the corners playing 10-12 yards off on third and eight, which drives me bonkers BTW, and our zone packages have more holes in them than Swiss cheese and even average quarterbacks seem to be able find the soft spots. The effectiveness of our secondary is totally dependent on the pressure our linebackers and defensive line can put on the passer and when we're not getting pressure, YES, mediocre quarterbacks can look pretty good against us. Have you been watching the same games I have the last couple of years? The numbers don't lie. Take a look at the sack numbers from the last couple of season compared to a few years ago. Now I know you'll argue that we don't have the personnel now that we had then and that's fine. But don't turn around and tell me what a great defensive mastermind that LeBeau is if you want to argue that. If he gets no blame for the defense's under the line performance because his players aren't good enough then he should get no credit when the defense was near the top of the league because you'd have to say that his players were just simply better than the opponent, right? I just think a coach who has a reputation for genius ought to be able to bring an average or mediocre player up to the next level based on his gameplanning and the schemes that he employs. The fact is that one and one equals two and LeBeau's schemes are not as effective as they once were. I appreciate what DL has meant to the game and to the Steelers, but I think it's time for him to move on and let Keith Butler or Carnell Lake put some fresh creativity to work!

    And BTW strummer, what I've said about Pryor and what still makes he mad when I think about it is this; we allowed him to run for a freaking 93 yard TD against us on the FIRST PLAY OF THE GAME! HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN??!! All week long it should have been POUNDED INTO THE DEFENSE'S THICK SKULLS that we cannot allow Pryor to beat us with the ONLY LEGITIMATE TOOL THAT HE HAS, HIS LEGS!!!!!! And what do we do, we allow him to BEAT US WITH HIS LEGS! How in the name of everything black and gold could our defense allow Pryor to be left ALL ALONE ON A NAKED BOOTLEG?! You can say that one player blew his responsibility if you want but the fact is that HALF THE DEFENSE should have gone with Pryor on that play! I'm not saying Pryor looked like the second coming of Joe Montana, just that our defense seemed totally off guard that a running quarterback actually RAN THE BALL! :facepalm:
     
  5. Blast Furnace

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    I have to wonder if you are. I'm tired of posting the stats, none of those QB's did crap against us, unless you feel that throwing for under 200 yards constitutes "picking us apart". What Brady did to us is picking us apart, none of these other QB's did anything worth talking about. We also posted a better 3rd down against conversion then Seattle did, which I have posted before, so those cushions that everyone likes to complain about really aren't so hurtful as people make them out to be. But that fact will also go ignored. :beathorse:
     
  6. JackAttack 5958

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    Okay, Blast, I'm with you. Why, if I didn't know any better I would have sworn that we were watching Joe Greene, Jack Lambert, Mel Blount and the rest of the Steel Curtain the last two seasons. FREAKING AWESOME!!!!
     
  7. strummerfan

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    How can it happen? Really? We just went over this a few hours ago. One player didn't do his job and the result was a 93 yard td. That's what happens in football if each individual player doesn't do their job. It's a very simple concept.

    You seem to conveniently forgotten how good our pass defense was in 2012. Why don't you go look it up?

    And no I won't point to how we don't have the same players and call that the reason for our lack of sacks. However, if you were actually watching the games instead of crying about how far off a cb plays you might notice something that actually has some substance. Our sacks are down because of changes in the passing game itself. Quarterbacks are getting rid of the ball faster than a blitzing player can physically get there . It's the same concept behind Haley's offense. Keep Ben healthy by getting the ball out of his hands faster.
     
  8. Blast Furnace

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    :rolleyes: yeah, that's what I was saying. The numbers don't back up your argument, what do you want me to say? At least not the examples you are using to build your case.

    Ever the exaggerator, huh Jack :lolol:
     
  9. JackAttack 5958

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    That's part of it, but our sacks are also down because we're not getting adequate pressure from our blitz schemes. The fact is that DL has been around for so long and has employed the same packages that many OCs seem to have it decoded. There's a lot of film on DL and he seems to be unable or unwilling to change it up a little. I just think it's time for a change and I hope if he does come back this season, it's his curtain call.
     
  10. JackAttack 5958

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    Are you happy with our defense's performance, Blast, going back to the Tebow playoff game?
     
  11. TerribleTowelFlying

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  12. Myronwemissyinz

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    I think in 2012 DL gave us the #1 rated D....He fell off for various reason in 2013...Lets let him ride off into the sunset in 2014.He deserves that!!
     
  13. JackAttack 5958

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    Don't hog the popcorn, TTF, pass it down! :glare:
     
  14. strummerfan

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    Oh my freaking lord! Do you really think a game without Clark, Kiesel, Hampton, and an injured Troy/Woodley is a true barometer of the 2011 defense?
     
  15. JackAttack 5958

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    I don't disagree, Myron. But do you think DL is just the kind of guy that's wired never to quit? That's an admirable quality unless you've stayed on well past your effective date. If that's the case, he may have to be nudged a little.
     
  16. JackAttack 5958

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    CHILL OUT DUDE! I'm not happy with the defense the last two years. GET OVER IT!

    And we should have been able to bring Shell, Greenwood, Greene and Lambert out of retirement and contain Tebow!
     
  17. darcrav

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  18. Myronwemissyinz

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    He gave us a #1 D less than 2 season ago. I dont think the man is anywhere near his "effective date" as you call it. Yes I do believe DL is wired to never quit. Would I like to lose Coach Butler...Hell NO....do I want to FORCE a coach who two seasons before built a #1 D....... into retirerment? I DO NOT!! As far as Im concerned DL stays as long as he likes!!!!
     
  19. JackAttack 5958

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    Because he's Dick LeBeau? Look, I've always been a DL fan and I still am, but there comes a time to turn the page. It happens with all of the great ones at some point. Chuck Noll had to go at some point as did Bill Cowher. I've also seen the other scenario play out where a legendary coach doesn't know when to say when and the program suffers because of it. Even though it's the college game and not the NFL, Paterno and Bowden come to mind. I'm afraid if LeBeau refuses to move to his next chapter in life and either continues to not be as effective as he once was or forces the Rooneys hand he may hurt his legacy a little.
     
  20. Myronwemissyinz

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  21. JackAttack 5958

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  22. TerribleTowelFlying

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    I don't understand the focus on his name. His name doesn't matter...
     
  23. JackAttack 5958

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    Just stealing a quote from Tomlin when he was questioned about LeBeau earlier in the season when the D was struggling. I think the reporter asked something about LeBeau's job status and that's how Tomlin responded. I don't think it was in reference to his name but to his past reputation.
     
  24. Myronwemissyinz

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    Huh????
     
  25. Myronwemissyinz

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    OK I get it TTF....;) I think:shrug:
     

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