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Are we blaming the wrong position coach?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JackAttack 5958, Jan 7, 2014.

  1. lersgofor7

    lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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    You cant shine ****....have we really had any backs the caliber of Bell here under him? ...Im pretty sure the answer is no

    I think i said The Caliber of Bell in my original post
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    Sorry Leveon > mendy and its not even close...mendy was talented but not in this kids class
     
  2. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    You did say that, but Mendy was a consensus first round draft pick while Bell was a second and even a third on some team's boards. Mendy was a physcially gifted running back, big, strong and fast. He was lacking in the mental department for sure and I think that's where Bell has a definitive edge on Mendy. The point is, Mendy was a number one draft pick that didn't live up to his full potential under Wilson, even though he had a couple of nice seasons.
     
  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I'd sure liked to have gotten my old buddy tim spencer as the rb's coach. looks like he's going to TB with lovie again. he has put out lots of not just good backs but made them great. I look for hyde to possibly be a buc next year.:cool:
     
  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I'm trying so hard to be done with this topic but you make it impossible with comments like that! You do remember that BA was our OC right? And that running the football really wasn't high on his list of things to do? You remember that right? And still managed to churn out 2 seasons over a thousand yards and one just shy of it. You do also remember that we didn't exactly have a great line during those years either right? But I guess Wilson should be held accountable for not convincing BA to commit to the run more and for not being a better OL coach and also for failing to be a better psychologist and fix Mendys effed up head. In that case, yeah, Wislon sucks!
     
  5. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Blast, I absolutely don't believe that Mendenhall lived up to his full potential while he was in Pittsburgh. And I haven't seen anything that would make me believe that Wilson has the ability to get his running backs to move up to the next level. You can be a Wilson apologist all you want to be but my point remains that he hasn't done anything in his tenure here that would cause him to be deserving of the offensive coordinator's position without consideration to other candidates! I don't give a flip who the OC was when Mendy was here! Haley is the OC now and I don't give a flip about that either. Your unwillingness to put any of the blame on Wilson for the Steelers rushing ineptitude is RIDICULOUS. HE IS THE RB COACH! You do remember that, right??!! If I hire someone to coach a certain position and then that position doesn't perform the way I think it should, I'M HOLDING THAT POSITION COACH ACCOUNTABLE! Why is that concept so hard for you to understand? Of course, you think it's all on the offensive line and that's fine. I have no qualms with that if that's where you want to put ALL of the blame. I certainly put SOME of the blame there, but don't hold Wilson totally blameless like you do!

    As you said earlier, we'll agree to disagree. Then when I disagree you can't handle it. What gives?!
     
  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    There was a lot of tongue and cheek in my last post, you know I can be a wise ass;)

    Just for the record, Mendy only ran for like 687 yards last season, maybe Wilson was getting more out of him then you give credit for. I don't know how you go about measuring success? How many yards did Mendy have to run for to pass your standards?

    I don't have to be an "apologist" for Wilson, I just have to look at the yardage the backs have produced under his watch and see there is nothing to apologize for.

    And when you dismiss that we had an OC that loves to pass, it just comes across as someone who wants to criticize despite the surrounding facts, you don't think an OC has an effect on how many yards his RB accumulates?
     
  7. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    You? No way!:lolol:

    Okay, I hear what you're saying. But do you think Wilson should be the slam dunk pick for the OC position should it become available? I guess that's the thing that I've always had a hard time with. What is it about Wilson that would have made him the consensus selection as OC had he not been burned and what is it about him now that Tomlin likes so much that he, apparently, would hand the position to him on a silver platter without consideration to other candidates? Maybe he'll be a fine offensive coordinator and I've developed an unfair and inaccurate opinion of him. But I just think a lackluster running game is at least partially his fault. I wish we could get in-depth scouting reports on coaches the same as we do players. Maybe it would help someone like me understand their skills and abilities a little better than I do. If he gets a shot, so be it. I'll be rooting for his success. It's just the perception I've developed of him is that he's cut in the same mold as Mike Tomlin, more of a fundamentalist and rah rah guy as opposed to being a strong scheme guy. I just think an OC has to be able to develop and implement the offensive philosophy of the football team and I have my doubts that Wilson can do that effectively.

    EDIT: I do remember you saying that Randy Fichtner would be your first choice so ignore my first question.
     
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Oh good, I don't have to repeat myself then :)

    Part of my reasoning though for wanting Fichtner and Wilson is preferring to stay in house. I think growing pains are less that way.
     

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