Are we blaming the wrong position coach?

Sorry this makes no sense...some backs are more talented than others...and dwyer has been running better than I have ever seen him, when he gets a chance...no way should he have been cut this year.

receiving ?? you do realize that leveon bell alone had 45 catches in only 13 games...

 

http://nicepickcowher.com/2014/01/07/pittsburgh-steelers-final-grades-leveon-bell-2/

 

I don't disagree that Dwyer should have never been cut. I thought that was a bad personnel move by Tomlin which further solidifies the point that I'm trying to make which is that Tomlin does not appear to be a great evaluator of talent, whether that talent be players or coaches. We've kind of gotten off track a little on this thread. I'm certainly not trying to suggest that the offensive line is blameless and that the OL coach should not be held accountable, what I wanted to put out for discussion was whether or not Kirby Wilson should also be looked at for the failures in our running game and whether he deserves to be on the fast track as the next offensive coordinator of the Steelers.

 

you need to read the threads prior to this one first. nobody is saying anything about bell. bell's game is definitely not because of Kirby refining him.

I am talking about dwyer and redman. dwyer was highly touted coming out of college. he's not a good receiver. he's not a real good runner as a feature back either.

Kirby has had him quite awhile now. redman also took a step or two back until we finally cut him. as I said it's easy for a coach to look good with a player like bell. so yes it does make sense but maybe just not to you.

 

So you're saying that Wilson couldn't but other RB coaches would have made top rated RB's out of Dwyer and Redman? And if so that would mean there's a good chance we'll be seeing Redman blowing up ESPN highlights soon right?

 

I mean the O-line. if one RB can run behind this line a #2 should be able too also. we have a guy that can't even run to the proper hole. in year 4.

 

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/01/steelers-2013-player-evaluations-by-position-running-backs/

 

Noooooo! Not another face palm! Admit it, you were actually looking for another smiley that utilizes a particular digit of the hand, now weren't you? lol

And you really don't think Kirby Wilson, our RB coach, deserves ANY of the blame for the failures in our rushing attack over the last few seasons? You think it's ALL on the offensive line?

 

How much refining could the RB or any coach do...he missed all of preseason and the first 3 games of this season...to me if you want to talk about refining he got better as the season went on...last 5 games he averaged 4.1 ypc...that seems like improvement to me...whether or not it had to do with a RB coach or any coach refining him..none of us will ever know for certain


I wasn't referring to bell in the first post...but not every back is equally talented or can run behind the same line with the same production...that the key to a running game is the o-line, but a backs skill set and production are also a part of it...

 

Mendy had some success. But how many of us ever really thought Mendy lived up to his full potential? He was very gifted athletically but was one of the most undisciplined running backs I've ever seen. That to me reflects on the coaching.

 

we will never know. I just cringe at the thought of bell going down again and having dwyer as the next man up. it's easy I think to blame the o-line but when they make holes and the rb's don't use them, it still makes the o-line look like the culprit, even if they are not.

 

Mostly his tendency to dance behind the LOS.

 

At least put a chip block on him or something.

 

Every coach should be looked at year in and year out, just as player levels, execution, talent and the rest should be evaluated. Calling out Kirby is fine in my opinion... But to evaluate anything that has occurred behind an abysmal line is what it is and should be addressed. I believe the talent ceiling has risen significantly behind Bell's arrival, but even he will continue to be questioned as is and will remain Ben's play behind a crappy O line! So yeah in short, I'm not sweating Bicknells firing and I'm not questioning Kirby's gumption. The line's play has has been bumpy over the years regardless who was in the backfield so I'll leave it at that and hope for the best.

 

Id be fine with Dwyer as our lead guy for a period of time over the season...I really think being cut energized him and he ran harder then he has since...

 

Just to jump in here BF, I don't know about undisciplined, but Mendy seemed to be a locker room problem. I don't put that on Wilson though. I think it's just his personality and I was actually glad to see him exit the team. Plus that brought us Bell so to me that part all worked out.

 

I think coaches take a little more criticism than they actually deserve but there isn't a RB coach alive that can help a RB overcome getting hit 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage. As for the OL coach, well I thought they need to part ways with him when Whimper was put in the game because Tomlin said he wasn't prepared to play, they dress a guy that can't play, that is the responsibility of the OL coach, isn't it? The line did do better at the end of the season but was the line really better or was it because of the no huddle? I would also think the OL coach has to be able to tell the head coach on which guys are better at their positions so they have the best on the field, even with little experience Beachum was clearly better than Adams but he was the back up until it became apparent that the QB wouldn't last half of a season without a change. Maybe I'm the minority but I think he OL coach needed to go.