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FU**ING RIGGED

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by petekoutromanos, Dec 22, 2013.

  1. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. (or incompetence)"

    But in the heat of passion, it sure is hard sometimes... ;)
     
  2. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    Don't like complaining after a win but this game is getting all jacked w/ the inadvertent consequences of the rule book. Welcome to the hypocrisy of bureaucracy, now too in the NFL. Our game is imitating life.

    Bell touchdown taken away, the pack getting the ball back & fresh set of downs!

    Utterly ridiculous.
     
  3. antennaman1969

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    This is the real problem part of the play. The illegal touching was correctly called; the posession non-call was completely boned. You might not accept this, but if that happened to one of the "marquee" teams, they would have been a little more deliberate with that call.
     
  4. Kevin James

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    If you don't think that was a crooked call and that the refs do all they can to help the Vegas cause, then you must not pay attention to who the money is on. I see it all the time.

    I was pissed off, but I knew right away that is would light a fire.

    But still, it's hard to watch the game I love anymore.
     
  5. Kevin James

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    LoL, that is exactly what they want you to think. It's the same as the Government, they love to blame " intentional mistakes " simply on incompetence. It'd better than admitting they are crooked. It's the perfect cover and people fall for it.
     
  6. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    Are there shady dealings in almost every facet of life? Of course. You'd have to be naive not to think so. But not everything is a damned conspiracy. To see conspiracy everywhere is the definition of paranoia. "But I can connect the dots." No. No you can't. You only think you can and it's all coincidence, leaps in logic, and seeing patterns where there really aren't any. (Saying "you" in the generic sense here. Not meaning you personally)

    Don't get me wrong. I despise Roger Goodell and everything he stands for. I DO believe he has rigged the game in the sense of creating rules and putting greater than necessary emphasis on other rules. This greatly benefits some teams, and severely hampers others.

    Did he set out to help the Pats, Packers, etc (read: high flying offenses)? No. Not specifically and intentionally. What he DID intend was to increase offense as he believes the average fan, and especially new fans or casual fans are bored if there's not a ton of scoring. And some teams just so happened to be built in such a way as to capitalize on it. Other teams suffered because their very identity and style of play were now deemed verboten.

    I don't think he set out to hurt the Steelers. I think we were a casualty in his overall plan. Does he pay particular attention to, and indeed, be harsh on us? You bet. But why? I don't believe it's a simple as "Screw Pittsburgh." It's even easier. We were a top dog. We had a ton of attention from fans and media. And we were guilty of playing in the manner he wanted to stop. It could easily have been, say, the Raiders if we were in a different era.

    Do I think he covered up Spygate and destroyed evidence rather than fully prosecute and punish the Patsies. ABSOLUTELY. But I don't think he did it just to be a swell guy to Bob Kraft (even if I tease that he did occasionally). I think that whatever that evidence was was SO damaging as to give the entire league a huge black eye. He made a deal with the devil, so to speak, to protect the league as a whole. A better man would have rained vengeance down on NE with great fury and furious anger, and withstood and weathered any firestorm from the media and possibly congress. But Goodell is a weasel and will always take the easy way out.

    Have games been influenced in the past, even recent past? Probably. All it takes is a single ref or 2 at most to heavily influence a game. And refs are human. Every man has his price. But I still don't see how that would prove an organizational conspiracy to rig games or even whole seasons. To do that would require a great deal of people involved. And the more people involved, the more likely you are to get caught.

    And if YOU believe so, then maybe we should THANK Roger for the 2005 season... ;) (edit: Tags was still comish then. But I'm sure as being high up the ladder, Roger still had some pull. :lolol:)
     
  7. strummerfan

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  8. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    After the travesty that was Spygate anything is possible. If you are willing to destroy evidence that directly lead to changing the outcome of the SB no less ,I guess nothing is below you. Don't forget about the tuck rule game. Talk about a call out of left field.
     
  9. niterider

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    Maybe I'm wrong here. But I thought Tomlin didn't challenge the call correctly. He tried to challenge possesion, when he should have challenged that Clark was down by contact. At least that part was reviewable, correct?
     
  10. Steeldefense08

    Steeldefense08 Well-Known Member

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    None of it was reviewable
     
  11. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    If he was ruled as not having possession than he cant be down by contact.
     
  12. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Right.
     
  13. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    FWIW, here's an interview with the ref after the game.

    Q: [on the batting of the ball ruling following the Green Bay’s blocked field goal]


    Cheffers: We had a blocked field goal, so that is a loose ball play and that remains a field goal, it remains a scrimmage kick, unless we rule that [the ball] has been possessed at some point during that play, which we did not rule on the field. We ruled that the ball continued to be a loose ball throughout the play. Batting is an intentional act. It’s when you strike the ball, and you cannot do that in the direction of your own goal line. So if you bat the ball forward, it is an illegal act. So we ruled that the player batted the ball forward, it was during the loose ball part of the scrimmage play and the only place we can enforce that foul is from the previous spot. So we went back to where the ball was snapped, we enforced the yardage, I believe it was half the distance [to the goal], and a foul on the defense is an automatic first down. So that’s basically how the play panned out.


    Q: [on if there was a lot of discussion between the officials about whether or not there was possession during the play]


    Cheffers: Yes, we did take quite a bit of time on that play, as I’m sure you saw, and the discussion revolved around whether or not there was possession in the field of play, and we ruled that there was no possession in the field of play, so that’s why we enforced it as a foul during a loose ball and went to the previous spot.


    Q: [on if the Packers could have advanced the ball had they recovered the blocked field goal]


    Cheffers: Yes, that is a good point. Any time the ball ends up back behind the line of scrimmage, and in this case it never crossed the line of scrimmage, but any time the ball is behind the line of scrimmage on a blocked field goal like that, the offensive team has every right to advance the ball. So there is an advantage to the defense to try and keep them from recovering the ball. So that is why there are rules about holding and all of that kind of stuff to try and keep the opponent from recovering the ball.
     
  14. PDXSteelers

    PDXSteelers Well-Known Member

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    Fred garvin, snl?
     
  15. HinesWardHOF

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    lol the whole NFL is rigged against the steelers.. like roger gives a rats a$$ who wins..

    HINES
     
  16. Badboy212

    Badboy212 Well-Known Member

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    Go back and watch the play. Notice Gay turn and put his hands on his helmet right after Hood knocked it out. Gay knew!
     
  17. victimofchanges

    victimofchanges Well-Known Member

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    First name basis huh? How sweet.
     
  18. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Remember a few years ago against the rats when Troy knocked the ball through the end zone and then after the game people were saying that was illegal? I guess this was retribution??? After all, justice delayed is not justice denied. LOL. In all seriousness though, it does seem like there's a league wide plague of supposed "pros" not knowing the rules. In the past few years multiple players have admitted to not knowing that games can end in a tie. McNabb was one of them. There was a tie this year and one of the Packers players didn't know the game could end in a tie. I think if I were a coach I would actually take time to go over the rules with guys. Even Rex Ryan has said there were rules he didn't know were in there.
     
  19. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    What this team needs is more Gay's!!! Gay's EVERYWHERE! Gay's on the field! Gay's on the sidelines! Gay's in the locker room! Please Colbert get us some more Gay's!
     
  20. HinesWardHOF

    HinesWardHOF Well-Known Member

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    what a waste of a post and photograph... newbie

    HINES
     
  21. victimofchanges

    victimofchanges Well-Known Member

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    Your right it's a waste of a post and a pic. Make sure you tell your buddy Roger so he can send me a fine.
     
  22. darcrav

    darcrav Well-Known Member

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    ahh yes

    Stu Porkchowski is in the house
     
  23. CANTON STEEL

    CANTON STEEL Well-Known Member

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    Don't bother. It's always negative with him
     

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