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Great Article on Jason Worlids and I could't agree more

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by lersgofor7, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. lersgofor7

    lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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  2. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    DL doesn't get a pass, he's always lambasted. I wonder why the author didn't mention Butler's name.

    To the point though, when you're playing behind the best in the league at your position, and you're injured at inopportune times, you're not going to start.
     
  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    MT is the head coach and it is up to him to change things like not getting young players on the field. DL doesn't out rank him.

    DL has also put a top defense on the field every year as very good players are being replaced. james Harrison, Woodley always hurt, aaron smith, james farrior, casey Hampton and I hate to say larry foote. hard to replace that type of talent. kevin Colbert also has to give them the talent to replenish these aged vets.

    with players like that and the soon to be replaced guys like ike and clark and t-roy and keisel, it's not easy to take these guys off the field to get players like worilds a lot of playing time.

    sure worilds looks good on this defense this year, but that has more times than not always been the case with steeler replacement LB'ers. they have always had good players step in at LB'er for as long as I can remember. we just didn't have the money issues with them and some others as we do now.:cool:
     
  4. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    True with Worilds, but Keenan Lewis seemed to develop slowly as did Cam Heyward. Shoot, Worilds did too for that matter. Shamarko Thomas has barely seen the field this year in spite of Ryan Clark's shortcomings. Worild's quote is troubling. It's essentially saying that even if you win the job, young chap, you can forget about playing. I've often been frustrated that our defense is apparently so complex that we can't get a young and talented player contributing until their third year and they're on the cusp of entering free agency. It's almost like its a source of pride for the coaches and the vets to be able to hold the young'uns back, citing a much too complicated defensive scheme to decipher while every OC and mediocre quarterback in the league now seems to have it deciphered! It's football for crying out loud! Let the young guys play and figure out a way to make it happen. IMHO, this is part of the reason why it's time for DL to move on.
     
  5. freakfontana

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    i'm not against lebeau , but if a rookie need 3 years to develope , something is wrong .
     
  6. Rush2seven

    Rush2seven Well-Known Member

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    Four years ago, this wasa different defense than it is today. Worilds was also not the same player four years ago that he is today.
     
  7. lersgofor7

    lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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    IDK how many Fire Dick threads has their been in here...? not as many as Todd, BA, MT... public outcry is always focused on the O. That is why I believe DL gets a free pass on some things...

    I believe the D needs to shoulder most of the blame for the past 2-3 years... not the O... of course both had their moments one way or the other, but the D has been below the line more often...

    IMO the article cover all the defensive coaches when it refers to coaching staff...but yea Butler should be lumped in there


    As far as worilds goes... I agree he has been injured, but the coaching staff needed to recognize his talent and natural position ....he showed major flashes of it last year...


    2 major things stick out to me

    #1 It’s frustrating because you know you probably could have helped. When I was coming up, I was told that no matter what I did — good or bad, no matter how much I improved — I wasn’t going to see the field. That’s kind of discouraging. But you have to take it as an opportunity to better yourself in other ways. That’s what I was able to do if this is true ...this is unacceptable


    #2 Wasting much of a promising player’s rookie deal while they are forced to learn an outdated and mildly antiquated defensive system benefits nobody involved, and I hope that Pittsburgh’s brass will realize this sooner as opposed to later. Been saying this for a while now...
     
  8. lersgofor7

    lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed ..thats the problem with our coaching staff...
     
  9. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Not as many is not the same as getting a pass and there have been quite a few topics about firing DL, some pretty good feuds over it. This season the bottom finally fell out on the D, previous years it was all on the offense, both BA and TH, I don't even know how that is in dispute.
     
  10. darcrav

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    some one help me out
    what is it called when there is a contract say for 4 years but then there's an extra year that could be had by the team if wanted?
    also is this action possible on rookie contracts?
     
  11. darcrav

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    is it a 5th yr option?
     
  12. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I personally don't think that the coaches are intentionally keeping young players out of the lineup. That would be crazy and counterproductive. I think that the scheme is so complex that it takes a long time for players to learn it and always know their assignments in any given situation. To me that's the biggest flaw with the LeBeau scheme. It was OK under the old CBA when players didn't hit unrestricted free agency until they had been in the league 6 years. However, players are eligible to be UFAs after 4 years now (other than 1st rounders who signed contracts that gave the team an option for a 5th year). Imagine how different things would be if Keenan Allen or Jason Worilds had 2 more years here as restricted free agents. The same for Cam Heyward and Cortez Allen who will be forcing tough decisions shortly as well.

    Our defensive coaching staff has not adapted to the new CBA, and it's causing major personnel issues. If you want to look at how to do it, look at the job that Rob Ryan has done in New Orleans. They are the #4 overall defense; #5 in points allowed, #2 vs. the pass and have 47 sacks. This is their first year in his 3-4 scheme, so they made a major scheme change that involved a change from a 4 man front to a 3 man front. If you look at their depth chart, it's not exactly a "who's who" of super NFL talent. For god sakes, their primary outside pass rusher is Junior Gallette who has 10 sacks. He was already on their roster, so he was able to make the switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and be stud year 1. Our defensive coaching staff needs to get with the times and figure out how to simplify the scheme and let the young guys play without having to slow down and think on every snap.
     
  13. darcrav

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    thanks Elvis you answered my question wasn't sure on it

    it would be nice to have every draftee have a 5th yr option the way things are with the learning curve in our scheme
     
  14. JackAttack 5958

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    ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE!!! If I were the Rooneys, I would be ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS reading this. This is talent that the Steelers have bought and paid for, made a huge commitment to, and we're going to leave it on the shelf??!! Didn't Art Rooney III say a couple of years ago that he wanted to get the younger players contributing sooner? This is a major act of insubordination by DL, Tomlin and Butler if that's the case!
     
  15. Blast Furnace

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    They do have to get them on the field quicker and if the scheme is too difficult to learn they need to simplify it. They gave up more big plays then ever this season, was that a result of having rookies on the field and being out of position or was it old vets who can't make up enough ground anymore? I know some of it was poor tackling but if it was more to do with rookies not knowing where to be, DL is justified in not putting them out there. BUT, he needs to do something about that, that's not acceptable with how quick these guys can leave now.
     
  16. JackAttack 5958

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    Our defensive scheme is so complex for our defensive players, but yet marginally mediocre quarterbacks like Jake Locker, Matt Cassell, Ryan Tannehill, Terrell Pryor, Matt Flynn and others can seem to figure it out and find huge holes in it. Hmmm. Something is wrong with that picture. :hmmm:
     
  17. darcrav

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    Obviously

    those huge holes are where the rookies are supposed to be :shrug:

    SNAFU
     
  18. JackAttack 5958

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    Not necessarily, but don't you think SOMEBODY is supposed to be there??!! Is LeBeau simply being out-schemed because the OC he's going against has his ultra-complicated defensive scheme deciphered while his own defensive players are still trying to figure out the formula? These are all fair questions, don't you think?
     
  19. lersgofor7

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    Very interesting point...

    Here is the other thing that burns me up when I hear it...

    DL's Defense works better with a lead because he can open up the playbook...

    Why does seattle and SF and Ariz. d not have a problem playing d without the lead..i get the talent level is different...but not that much
     
  20. freakfontana

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    anyway , we should do something ..right now rookies can't shine and veterans can't hold
     
  21. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Greater than for Haley on this board, not nearly as great for Mike Tomlin.
     
  22. steelers5859

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    Even if you are playing behind the best in the world, you should get some snaps. Everyone needs a break. We see other teams give Suggs, Ware, Dummervill, and other players breaks during a game. That's probably why we give up so many end of the game wins to other teams because our pass rushers are spent by time the 4th quarter comes around.

    This is not the first time we've heard or seen players sit on the bench when veterans are clearly not meeting the standard. Kiesel, Woodley, Townsend, McCleadon, Worilds, Lewis, Heyward, Hood all sat on the bench when they should of been used more than they were.
     
  23. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    O C'mon, how long have we had to complain about the D?
     
  24. thorn058

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    Here is the problem I have with Worilds quote. A lot of you are getting outraged about if it is true or not but ask yourselves are you really saying that some kind of improvment by him would justify taking a healthy James Harrison or Woodley out of the game? I'm sorry but nothong he shows in practice against the second team is going to get the coaching staff to replace healthy vets who know what they are doing. Injuried players are a different story.
     
  25. GB_Steel

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    :this!: Well said. It's not like Bruce Davis from UCLA was sitting ahead of him on the depth chart.
     

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