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Sad Day for Baseball

Discussion in 'Other Sports Talk' started by SteelCity_NB, Dec 12, 2013.

  1. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...impose-rule-eliminating-home-plate-collisions

    Goodell has ruined football and Bettman has done the same to hockey. Baseball has now just been weakened too.

    Its sad nowadays to see the state of professional sports. While I never played elite level baseball, I was a catcher from the time I was 6 up until 20. I cherished a play at the plate. To be able to pop back up after being run over holding the ball up in my glove high above my head. Its one of the best accomplishments a positional player can make in baseball. Noone was forced to play the Catcher position. Usually you would find 2 brave souls on a team who WANTED to do it.

    With all contact sports, there is an ASSUMED risk when you take the field/ice. Everyone accepts this risk. I know there are many people out there, myself included, that say if you are willing to pay me millions of dollars to go play the sports I love, I will put my body on the line.

    There's a reason football, baseball & hockey are popular. There's a reason boxing was popular. There's a reason why UFC has become so popular. There is such a respect for those who do put their body on the line in the name of sport and entertainment.

    Now, I don't have kids, so I'm not sure if my opinion would change if I did. But can someone explain to me the other side? Our sports are becoming watered down and I don't like it. I had gained a new appreciation for baseball over the past few years as the NFL and NHL changed so many rules. Baseball was the pure sport. So few rule changes in over 150 years.

    What's next? The line that extends out form homeplate like in softball? Not being able to break up a double play? Not being allowed to wear metal cleats? Pitching machines?

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  2. Myronwemissyinz

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    I agree with you NB. Being a H.S. catcher myself you are right. Nothing better than a close play at the plate. My question is with this new rule can the catcher still block the plate as long as he has the ball?

    If he can whats a runner to do?
     
  3. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    From what I am reading, No. It can only be a tag play at the plate now, similar to a play at 3rd base. The catcher must offer the runner a clear path to the plate
     
  4. Myronwemissyinz

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    Thank you for your answer NB.

    You think this new rule has anything to do with Buster Poseys 9 year $167M extension he signed in March? I do.

    Like you said in your original post. Risks are assumed by players. I believe the ownership group of the Giants had HUGH input in getting this rule passed.
     
  5. shaner82

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    It has nothing to do with a specific player. I'm sure if MLB had their way they would leave the rules as they are. Head injuries are a big deal in sports right now. The leagues don't have a choice but to put rules in to protect the players. They are getting sued left and right and the lawsuits aren't going to stop anytime soon. Pro leagues also have insurance companies to deal with and those insurance companies will demand certain rules be put into place.

    You can't blame Selig, Bettman or Goodell. They are doing what they are forced to do. Even if Goodell wasn't running the NFL, someone else would be in charge and would be doing the exact same thing.

    I would like to hear how hockey has been ruined though. I think hockey is better than it's been since the early 90's.
     
  6. SteelerGlenn

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    I've coached youth baseball for 11years and a base runner is not allowed to plow a catcher. It's a no contact rule and an immediate ejection if you do it and that player is counted as an out every time he comes up in the batting order from that point on. There's no need for that in youth baseball. Major league is a different story, I don't mind it as they are adults, but it doesn't bother me if they get rid of it.
     
  7. Blast Furnace

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    Has everything to do with that. Owners don't want their star players on the DL, baseball players contracts, unlike football players is all guaranteed. Everything is about money.
     
  8. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    You are 100% correct sir. It was legal and allowed when I played when I was younger. I started coaching baseball about 6 years ago and it was outlawed then. Not sure when it was changed. But yes I agree, it probably shouldn't be allowed amongst the youth. But as I said, I tihnk its a shame to take it out of MLB.
     
  9. SteelCity_NB

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    I will agree with you, that the early 90s was the best time period for hockey. Hockey, like football is a contact sport. It comes with the territory. Anyone who ever played hockey growing up, what was the #1 thing coached to you every practice? "Don't skate with your head down". If you take the physical aspect out of the sport, IMO, it lessens the quality of the sport.

    Scott Stevens is a HOF hockey player. He wouldn't even be allowed in the NHL nowadays. And to me, that is a shame.
     
  10. shaner82

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    It is a shame, but I think you're blaming the wrong people. Take Bettman out of the picture and someone else would be there banning hits to the head. Pro sports leagues have been forced to adopt certain rules. It's become a cultural thing in North America. The lawsuits are too expensive and the insurance companies are getting scared off. Remember, players salaries are insured. Don't think for a minute that insurance companies aren't throwing fits and demanding change. Then you have idiot politicians in the US getting involved, just like they did with steroids in baseball. There's so much pressure for these leagues to change, they really do have their hands tied.

    I miss old time hockey as much as anyone else out there. I get giddy when I see a big hit in hockey or football, but I also realize that times have changed and we now live in a society ruled by fear. We're scared to do anything these days for fear of someone getting offended or someone getting hurt. It's not just sports, it's the world we live in.

    I remember playgrounds as a kid, they were basically death traps. I remember playing tackle football at school with the teachers watching (this is at recess with no equipment, not an official game). I remember playing red rover at school while the teachers watched the cheered. Kids would end up with injuries every day almost and the teachers never said a word. Now, kids breath on each other and they get suspended and sent to see a school psychologist.

    Society has become pussified. We're all giant pussies these days, scared of everything.
     
  11. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    :this!:

    100% correct on everything you said above. And yes, I'm taking my anger out on Bettman, Selig & Goodell, but you are right, it goes way beyond and above them. I'm not a big "tough love" guy, but I definitely feel as a society we have become very soft.

    Like you, we use to play tackle football in elementary school on our breaks as the teachers watched. We also use to play murderball (others may know it as something else). It involved throwing a tennis ball or rubber ball off the side of the school from about 60 feet and basically simulating a ground ball. It was great practice for baseball players. The downside is if you made an error, you would have to stand infront of the wall and take a shot in the back (if the guy throwing the ball was accurate enough). Teachers use to watch this and share in the laughs. And I am not talking the 1950s here either, but early 90s. It wasn't cruel or malicious, but the funnest game, looked forward to it everyday in the fall and spring. I can only imagine how barbaric this game would seem in today's age.
     

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