Fire Todd Haley now!!!

Anyway we could beat a dead horse all day...while you do make some valid points and arguments I do disagree with some of them...thanks for the debate....

 

your welcome and thank you too. trust me i don't care for todd. i didn't care for BA either. i still put the no qb between bradshaw and ben on cowher. always did.

 

Am I the only one who remembers these same debates about Arians?

Some nuances to think about in this debate:

1. Haley is working with an offensive line that is so bad it can't even be called NFL quality. And now two more guys have gone down. The line wasn't good under Arians; it is even worse now.
2. Arians was not God. For those clamoring for a return to the Arians days, take a look at this: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200912100cle.htm Or how about this (which occurred in the SB season of 2008): http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200811160pit.htm
3. Those who think Haley is a sub-.500 coach really need to go back and look at his record--not just Ws and Ls, but his overall effectiveness and the personnel he was working with.
4. When Arians was let go, it was because the FO wanted a return to power football. Haley was brought in to rejuvinate the run game. He sort of did through the first 6-7 games of 2012. That's what he was hired to do...just sort of hard to do that with this line.

I am not trying to suggest that Haley is better than Arians. But I do think this offense will struggle no matter who the OC is.

 

I DO think Haley is better than Arians but NOT a good fit for this team.

 

BAs doing pretty well for himself in his two stops as a HC...

Haleys HC run was pretty poor...

 

BA gets his qbs almost killed. Luck was sacked like crazy and also threw a huge amount of picks. I think the Rooney's thought that BA was ultimately gonna get Ben hurt by playing in that Mike Martz-esque system and that's why he wasn't brought back.

 

Has nothing to Do with Indys piss poor Oline? Luck was a Rookie ..they went 11-5 Coach of the year

Arizona with Carson Palmer (yuck) is 7-5

record speaks for itself..

 

Why didn't Peyton get sacked that much? I think most of his guys were back for Luck's first year right?

 

Here we go again: not taking personnel into consideration.

The Chiefs were 2-14 the season before Haley took over. Within two seasons, they won the AFC West. They had not won a division title in seven years. In 2011, when he was canned, the team was racked with injuries...and still, with Tyler Palko at QB (you read that correctly) they nearly beat the Steelers in another "brilliant" offensive performance by the Arians-led Steelers.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201111270kan.htm

 

This is a sensible argument.

 

oh boy

First of all you can't compare one season to the next....

second 2 different Qbs..rookie Qb vs possibly the greatest QB mind in the history of the game...

you tell me why peyton didn't get sacked as much?? not to mention a compete overhaul of the oline

2011 O-line

LT 74 Anthony Castonzo
LG 76 Joe Reitz
C 63 Jeff Saturday,
RG 71 Ryan Diem
RT 72 Jeff Linkenbach,
TE 44 Dallas Clark,

2012

LT: Anthony Castonzo,
LG: Jeff Linkenbach,
C: Samson Satele
RG: Mike McGlynn,
RT: Winston Justice,

 

In some cases, he is. I think the difference is this: the injury situation with the Steelers is not an isolated thing. It has now become routine, especially on the O-line. If this happens one season out of seven, then it is what it is. But we are now seeing the injuries pile up on the line every year. Is this the HC's fault? Perhaps not. But there is most definitely an issue with scheme/coaching/training, etc. When I played football, one of the things we were taught was that bad technique leads to injuries. The whole o-line is in shambles every year mostly because of bad luck, but also because of bad technique. They're also just not very good.

When I speak of Haley's HC career, we need to keep in mind that he had Matt Cassel at QB, and he managed to win a division title, mostly because he developed Jamaal Charles at RB. The team ran the ball. I wouldn't say that Haley is a terrific HC or that he is a better HC than Arians. But I think too many people are dismissive of his ability and point to his position at KC as proof of it. Not sure how that is proof of anything, because, again, he made chicken salad out of chicken $#!t in KC.

 

In Peyton's first year in the league he literally set the record for INT's. Wanna guess who his qb coach was at the time?

 

the one we run out of the town saying he was retyring ????

 

that more balanced seahawk team with the good defense is looking pretty good against that throw it team with the franchise qb NO. just sayin.

 

OK. I'm confused mac. What's this got to do with HALEY?

 

mostly about this part of the thread wardsway. a balanced offense with a good defense against the throw first teams. seattle is putting on a clinic.