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We MUST re-sign Jason Worilds! Here's why.

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JackAttack 5958, Nov 26, 2013.

  1. lersgofor7

    lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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    So what makes you think woodley is not hungry? posts like this are what deters me from posting on here... Worlids has had a nice lil stretch against some ok lines... remember most teams best tackle is on the left side...hmmmm coincidence he has been playing better... maybe ..maybe not
     
  2. freakfontana

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    yes but if you are stealing money you should have a little remorse
     
  3. SteelerGlenn

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    He was injured at work, should he not get paid? Some of you guys need to think things through a bit.
     
  4. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    go watch woodley during the NE game taking plays off and going half speed while his teamates are still trying to stop them from scoring again. it's real evident. he quit. i'm glad he's out, if thats the effort he's going to give. that's not a guy that should be a team leader.

    if you don't do the job you are contracted to do as the highest paid employee, should the owner just say oh well he has a contract? c'mon 7, woodley is not all he's cracked up to be. he's not the player he was before the new contract and no he's not near as hungry.:cool:
     
  5. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    People falsely credit Harrison with Woodley's success. Fact is, Woodley had one of his best stretches of play in his career in early 2011 when Harrison was out. Also, people say that Woodley has been awful since signing his big extension, and that's also not true. He was very solid up until his hammy in mid 2011. Look it up. That's not to say that I'm happy with Woodley's play now in 2013, but let's not play revisionist history. He was dominant until his hammy in 2011, and played some of his best ball after signing his extension AND w/o Harrison in the lineup. Just wanted to clear up the facts ;)

    That said, this is a "what have you done for me lately" league, and even (supposedly) healthy early this year, he was merely decent. I was optimistic that he would rebound coming into this season, but I am very concerned that he is already past his prime, never to return. The decision to sign him to a big deal was the right one based on the information the team had at the time. He was dominant. He was improving. He was young. Sometimes the best decisions look bad in hindsight.
     
  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    when harrison was on his game so was woodley. 2010 was woodleys last good year. that was his supposed final year of his rookie contract. 2011 harrison was injured too but still managed many more tackles and as many sacks. worilds was right with woodley too in tackles and one more solo. woodley went down hill as harrison went. it's not all about the sack my friend. woodleys tackles since his contract have gone south. especially solo's. worilds was right with him or beating him then overall, just not sacks. of which he still only had 6 less without all the playing time. woodley was 12 in tackles that year. we start 11 guys. woodleys overall game as a LB is lacking and it didn't just start.:cool:
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    :this!: sums up my thoughts on the matter.
     
  8. freakfontana

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    he is always injuried he play half of the game is pay for , i didn't say not get paid but at least a pay cut or restructure to add some more years to allow us to spread his sb better and lower is cap . his production overall doesn't match the contract he signed when he was a lot better
     
  9. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Like it or not the Steelers are stuck with Woodley for now because of releasing him would be a burden with too much dead money. Worilds will probably get offered a big contract by some team look at OLB Paul Kruger from the Ravens last season he had a decent year, and the Browns overpaid for him.
     
  10. freakfontana

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    one way could be extend his contract for other 3 -4 years without a sb so we can spread his original sbonus better lowering the cap .
     
  11. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    This from my friend who always used at attribute Antonio Brown' success to Mike Wallace. :hmmm: ;)
     
  12. ThrowToHeath

    ThrowToHeath Well-Known Member

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    For 14 million, Woodley should be hands down the best defender on the team. He is not. Cool, he generated a string of four seasons where he had 8-13 sacks each, but what about forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, INTS, touchdowns? Is he excellent in coverage? Is he excellent in run defense? Can he chase down a running back?

    Someone who can perform well in all or most of these categories is worth 14 million. Woodley cannot perform well in most of these outside of pass rushing, thus is not worth the money in my opinion.

    Unfortunately the front office thought otherwise.

    Also, wasn't it just last year that players anonymously complained about his work ethic?

    I wish there was a way to remove him from the roster without hurting the team. If Worilds continues to play at a high level, Woodley should be on the bench, regardless if he is the top paid defender.
     
  13. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry I nicked a nerve,which Woodley always seems to be "nicked" up. If using your logic that the weak tackle is on the right side than for the money he's being paid he should be dominating even more. His lack of peak physical condition is well documented. In my eyes his injuries fall on him. He's paid a pretty penny to be in shape, it's part of his job.
     
  14. SteelerGlenn

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    Is Woodleys cap hit of 14 million from his original contract or a product of a restructure?
     
  15. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    It's higher due to a restructure. 5 and a half million or so was rolled into a signing bonus earlier this year.
     
  16. SteelerGlenn

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    That's what I thought. Seems like this is the Steelers fault and Woodley is taking the heat for it.
     
  17. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Fault? When a player gets restructured, they get non guaranteed money turned into guaranteed cash. It makes them happy.
     
  18. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Do you feel that he has EARNED his salary that he is being paid? How many games has he missed from being out of shape,often injured? Yet, the Steelers are (Hamstrung)paying him HUGE amounts of money for little production. I would have to expect 16 sacks/yr,65 to 70 tackles, fumble recovery's, INT's'
    The Steelers are paying him to be a difference maker, do you see that from him?
     
  19. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    The point I was commenting on was that Woodley had had "one good season"...

    In terms of earning his money:
    - He can't do much whilst injured. Some think he's injury-prone; I don't really have an opinion on that.
    - Contracts are always based on past and projected performance. So technically he earned the contract from the good seasons he had. At the time, the whole league knew about Woodley, and we would have struggled to keep him here. I don't think the same is true about Worilds, just yet. Plus, who would have taken his spot?
    - His last few seasons have been disappointing, and there are times when he doesn't look as all-out as he did before the contract.

    So is he earning his money now? Well, obviously not. He's not even suiting up. Whether he earned his salary is a slightly different question.

    Given the state of our cap, any big money player is going to ultimately be a hindrance to our chances of flooding the roster with quality players, and the restructuring strategy seems to have been a short-term approach which is now kicking us in the teeth.
     
  20. freakfontana

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    injurie prone ? he is a dead man walking , when is in shape he last 4 games at best others he is on the bench or on the field too fat
     
  21. lovembig

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    Worilds has found a home on that left side. 2 more sacks last night. there is no way you move Worilds from the left. Woodley can play on the right and lets see what he can do.
     
  22. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    It started when he hurt his hammy in 2011. He had 9 sacks in the first 8 games that season, much of it without Harrison. You can point to a very clear point in time where Woodley's effectiveness fell off a cliff, and it was mid-2011 - after signing the big deal. It also does't come down to just stats (tackles, sacks, etc). He was exceptionally disruptive until that point in time, and had to be accounted for on every play. Now he doesn't.
     
  23. Steel_in_DC

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    I agree, but I bet anything when Woodley comes back he will be on the left and they will put Worilds back on the right, because that is the way this coaching staff rolls.
     
  24. Steel_in_DC

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    The bottom line on Woodley is the front office vastly overpaid for his services because Woodley is not a complete linebacker. There were signs there, the guy did not make a lot of tackles, teams would more often run to his side as opposed to Harrison, the guy was always overweight. Granted he gets some sacks, but that is an awful lot of money to pay for a guy making 10-15 impact plays a year and providing little else. Also as I have stated many times in consideration of the route the Steelers were taking in paying a franchise QB, there should have been more consideration to let Woodley go if they had to and to critically determine other ways to find a suitable (not necessarily superstar) at his position. You cannot pay everybody, but now the Steelers are tied to this guy who is vastly underperforming considering the contract he has been given and they are likely saddled w/it for a minimum of another couple years.
     
  25. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    Woodley is good at stopping the run, they ran to the right more so because Hood was struggling.

    Yes Harrison did make Woodley better. Teams are going to send RB's and TE's to his side now instead of Harrison.

    A. Smith also made Woodley look better.
     

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