No Huddle vs. Huddle

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/11/statistically-no-huddle-has-no-real-bearing-on-roethlisberger/

Thought some of you may find this interesting. Basically implies that so far this season Ben is about the same in the No Huddle vs. Huddle, albeit the No Huddle is statistically a fairly small sample.

I'm still in favor of the no huddle because I think it can help the offense get some rhythm when things have bogged down. Also as the writer implies it may be helpful when starting out, especially for a guy like Ben who I think often times starts slow - may help him find some rhythm sooner. Also I read a few of the comments to the article and one guy made a good point that it would be interesting to see how it performs in the red zone.

 

I was going to start a thread about the no huddle but you beat me to it. At this point, I think the Steelers need to no huddle their way all the way to the playoffs. I think Ben is at his best in the no huddle and the Steelers need to keep doing it, allowing Ben to call the plays based on what he sees in real time on the field. This may keep Ben more actively engaged and give him more motivation to use his gray matter and not just his physical abilities to effect the outcome of the game. Now, there is one caveat to this. I still believe Haley has a very good offensive head on his shoulders and if Ben works to integrate Haley's strategies into the no huddle offense, we can be very potent the rest of the way out. It sounds like that's the way it worked against Detroit and there's no reason we can't do that the rest of the way.

 

This. I was happy to hear after the game Ben said when he was on the sidelines gathering with the players and Haley. They were basically mapping out their attack plan for the next drive and he said he was very prepared when he got under center. It's nice to hear Ben credit some of the no huddle success on that drive to Haley.

 

no huddle. it tires the defense. it helps our o-line. we have weapons at several levels that teams have to account for. keep it rolling.

 

Here is the quote from Ben.

''It's a combination when we come to the sidelines, it's me calling (those plays) out there,'' Roethlisberger said. ''On the sidelines I'm talking to all the wide receivers, tight ends and running backs, coach Haley, coach Randy Fichtner, all the coaches. We're trying to brainstorm and see what is best so they can best prepare me when I am on the field.''

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/roethlisberger-takes-control-steelers-soar-184221412--nfl.html

 

I'd almost be willing to bet that Haley will hide the "no huddle" this week and break out the wildcat.

Well Todd, how about trying a damn no huddle wildcat? LOL :thumbsup:

 

It tires "which" defense?

Cajun-

 

the no huddle has its place, but when it becomes over used, dominating the snap count, it will be a detriment to our success.

Ben is best , statistically, when the play breaks down and the no huddle puts a little order into that type of chaos/ play ground style of football.

Use it at the right times, when the defense has the wrong defensive units in to take advantage of that but be aware your own defense needs a bit of a rest so don't get so caught up you shoot yourself in the foot.

Cajun-

 

I hope the no huddle continues
I was happy with its success last week

 

I'm a fan of the no huddle. I like that in most cases it keeps the other team from making substitutions plus I like the up tempo it creates for the offense.

 

The no huddle isn't necessarily Oregon style running 100+ plays. It allows us to control the tempo, Ben plenty of time to get his pre-snap checks read and then change to what will work based on the defense. It also forces a defense to decide are they going to play nickel or they going to go base defense. It takes the specialty players out of the equation. If you have a stud hybrid DE that can only rush the passer the question is will you play him knowing he is not good against the run. Several times we still snap the ball with less than 7 seconds on the play clock.

It also gives our o-line an advantage to read what is in front of them and get the call out. I personally like it and hope it continues.

 

I like the way we run it. We aren't running up to the line and calling quick plays but instead keeping defenses on the field without them subbing out while giving Ben time to evaluate the D and call the proper play. It keeps the momentum on our side while exhausting the D. It also limits the DC's play calling and basically makes the D "keep it simple".

Edit: Or like HawkeyeJames said above, lol, since he beat me to it.

 

I hear what you 2 guys are saying and you're right, No Huddle doesn't necessary mean hurry up.

I just wonder why the No Huddle under Ben isn't any different than the reg. offense under Ben considering the advantages of the no huddle? according to link above that is.

Cajun-

 

Not sure there, considering it sure looks more effective than when we huddle up. I think some times we don't go into a game with the intention of going no huddle but the the game dictates that we need to. So it may not be as effective in those circumstances as it does when we can run it in a more controlled manner?

 

I like the no huddle as well...the thing I dont want to have happen, is that we do it every single game, allowing the opposing defenses to prepare for it before we play.

 

But even if they prepare for it it's still one more element that they have to dedicate their practices towards. The harder they have to work the better. Besides, it's really not that easy to prepare for. You can try and have packages ready to roll with but if they guess wrong on what we run it doesn't do them much good, as it still limits their ability to make adjustments and sub.

 

One issue being overlooked, is that it's a little harder to do it in an opponents field with the crowd noise.

 

If the no huddle can produce 1st downs, then that is better for our defense than going 3 and out. Huddle or no huddle, the offense needs to execute the plays. The advantage of no huddle, used by Peyton, is the reduced substitutions. I believe regardless of huddle or not, if the offense substitutes, then they have to give time for the defense to substitute. So to limit defense substitutions, you have to keep the same offensive players on the field and get to the line quickly. So, a hybrid, using both huddle and no huddle can be ideal.

 

I agree with the sentiments here that the no huddle seems to be effective for this team.
I'm not sure I'm 100% sold on Ben's ability to read defenses. I can remember at least one play in the Lions game where Ben checked into a run that got the rb destroyed because I assume he read it incorrectly.
I think the reason the no huddle works more than anything is tiring out the opposing defenses and keeping them in the wrong package.

 

Yeah, Ben seems to read defenses differently than other QB's. I'm 100% sure he doesn't fully grab the run game.

 

I prefer the No Haley offense.