should some house cleaning happen?

im not a cap guy, but i think some guys need to be traded or released.

this season is over and please dont give me 100 reasons as to why its not. this team just isnt good enough.

the only real tradeable guy they have is Sanders. probably to the Pats.

they just dont have anyone else worth trading.

i cant see them giving up on Bell< wheaton or Jones yet and guys like Woodley, Timmons, Ike, Troy, Clark and AB all make too much money.

this team is not good and if they go into next season with the same group of guys with a few added rookies they wont be any good next year either.

unfortunately with all the restructured contracts they have on the books and bad contracts if they just release guys they will have a ton of dead money on the books.

i honestly think Haley needs to go sooner than later. DL also needs to go. thanks for the great years, but what he wants to run and the players he has dont work.

i think they will end up with a top 10 pick this year and hopefully they can draft well and maybe they can be respectable next season. again im not a cap guy, but i would imagine that we will have to endure another rough season next year until some of that money starts coming off the books and hopefully between the drafts and some good low cost FA pickups they can get this thing turned around.

i still had hope until Sundays lose against the Raiders. they looked bad in every department. i say play the young guys, get rid of Haley and lets start looking at the future.

 

I don't think there will be a ton of player turnover. I do think Haley will be gone, but like you said, we're going to go into next season with the same core of guys and we're going to be bad to mediocre next year too. I don't think a new OC will change anything as I don't believe the OC is the problem.

 

I don't see how Sanders is the most tradable guy on the team? He's a free agent at the end of the season who has not done much so far this season. Why would somebody give up a high draft pick mid season for him?

 

We will start with around 12 or so players no longer under contract; given a few additions and subtractions, that will likely will be around the amount of player turnover we will see. IMO Haley and one or two other assistant coaches will be gone at the end of the season. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think we'll see any significant improvement in 2014.

 

I think house cleaning isn't needed but some of the older guys need to be gone that are not performing. Clark should be the first to go. Kiesel is playing well and so is Ike. So I would hold onto them for another year but that depends on the draft.
Even though Cothery is playing well I think he needs to be gone. Is Plex coming back next year? If he does at 37 he could be the veteran presence for the Receivers but that depends on the draft and free agency.

 

I just have a feeling, the oline could careless about blocking for ben.
His style of play is bullcrap and the oline knows it.
If they hold their blocks and they do and can the bimbo still holds onto the ball
because
he is just not that bright.
oh yeh
oh yeh
it worked for a while,shruggin off lbs,skippin over a DT,duckin a cb
butt
just like the qb of new today
the defense learns and they have learned that the line is just not that into blocking for him.

 

I don't know about business as usual. we added a lot of new people this year. like 20. that's a lot bigger turnover then most years.

 

She lost me for good with the disgusting post in the game day thread.

 

ahh, gotcha. we were probably the most active as ever last year in free agency. plus a ton of udfa guys in camp and a lot of future type signings that made the squad.

I would like for us to get a couple of guys under contract before this mess is over this year. velasco for one. Wallace the other. jones would be worth keeping too , I believe. LSH, i'm not sure if he's signed for next year or was it just a 1 year deal? moye. I must also say if whimper can improve as he has so far, they may try and keep him. I think they may have to money wise. he's probably not a very expensive signing.

 

Mac, LSH was a 1-year deal. Moye is signed thru 2014.
IMO Valesco is the #1 un-signed keeper, I wonder how much he will want?

 

Of course house cleaning will happen and it should some of the coaching will probably be gone too. It's time to get rid of older veterans Kiesel, Clark, Foote and maybe Polamalu takes a pay cut I think his 2014 cap number is high.

 

I think the problem IS that we've been housecleaning the roster the past couple years of the old vets that were really ready to go. This team has so many new names that see playing time. They just aren't on the same level as we are used to getting out of guys like Casey, Harrison, farrior, Hines, etc.

 

I was about to post pretty much the same thing. There have been some major upheavals roster-wise this season (and last, to an extent).

I keep going back to Bob Labriola's prediction: there will be a lot of mistakes made, and there's no way around that when you're in this phase of development.

 

Okay, I thought it was just me. I read it and was like "huh"? but Blast seemed to understand perfectly.

 

Right?? I was SO glad you said something! Wait, that poster is FEMALE??

 

Which poster? darcrav? Yeah she's once, twice, 3 times a lady.

 

a lot of our trouble is established vets in place when we add these rookies and young players.

for example: when casey was added, we already had aaron smith playing very good football next to him.

when Harrison was added to the starting lineup, we were solid inside with foote (playing pretty good then), and farrier, and had a stable front 3.

when mendy was added, we had a more stable backfield around him.

when gay was drafted we had McFadden and a younger ike, a younger clark, a younger troy playing well.

the transition for a lot of these guys was easier because of what we had around them.

let's fast forward: we have had nobody step up to be playing well enough to allow a young player to transition into any spot and have them covered up by the stability of good play of vets around them.

we missed on these crucial players and their development to stabilize any one position before adding young guys on the field. in the last several years nobody has taken the role as leader and playmaker out of our draft picks or FA's to become that playmaking stable vet.

we had the luxury of allowing guys to sit and learn, but by the time they got on the field, the players around them have diminished ability and nobody else has stepped up to fill those voids.

just keeping vets that are more role players has not produced stability around the young players and it's caught up with us. in a big way. tomlin and staff, and Colbert are directly responsible for this.

 

Part of me wants to know what the post was now. But the other part of me can't bear to trawl through the entire thread...

 

I think this is a key point, mac. We had a superbowl-calibre team, but the lights were going out all around the same time. What this means is that a lot of younger guys had to sit and wait their turn (why would you displace a starter when you were going for the superbowl?), so they lacked both experience and a sense of just how good they were. We could have drafted any number of playmakers, but their development would be stifled by the stage the team was at. Sitting and learning is one thing, but playing time is what they all needed. This is why I'm pleased to see players like Shamarko getting out there a lot more.