Unpopular view

The only reason I brought up this thread is ,I truley believe we are in full rebuid mode...Can we put a strong enough Team around Ben sooner or later?

My money is it will be to late ...

 

I think more of a partial rebuild or retool, no sense in them hanging on to guys like Kiesel, Troy, Clark, Taylor and resigning Foote this season if that was their mind set was full rebuild.

 

IMO the "full rebuild" will start this off-season. Pretty damn scarey too, with Colbert/Tomlin starting it.

 

As the poster below said the full rebuild will start this upcoming season...

We rolled the dice and kept the aging Vets and we can't compete thats the facts..

 

I just don't see how a partial retool can be done when all the young players we have drafted have not filled the shoes of the guys they replaced. So on top of that, we also have to replace Clark, Ike, Troy, Kiesel, Foote, Gay (because he sucks). We also have an Oline full of guys that don't know how to block. It's not just Adams, it's everyone on the line. We also need a move TE. The game has changed, and although Heath is great, successful teams have a TE that can stretch the field and that's not really Heath's game. We also may need to replace Sanders if he leaves, although we need a good WR either way.

We need so many guys I don't see how a partial retool will get the job done. Unless the problem isn't the talent on the team it's the coaching, then perhaps guys like Hood and Heyward are the answer we just don't know it yet. Perhaps the guys on the Oline could be good with some different coaching. We'll see what happens once Tomlin is fired, which I believe is coming in the next couple years.

 

It has nothing to do with that at all. I just don't believe Ben is a great QB. I think he's good, not great. You say he's a winner that makes game winning drives, I say he hasn't done either in a long time. I posted his stats from every playoff game he has played, and he's been average at best in almost every game. You say it isn't all about numbers and Ben isn't a big numbers guy, so then I have to ask, if Ben isn't scoring points for us (which he hasn't done a lot of in the playoffs), then what exactly is he doing that helps us win? What else does a QB do if he's not scoring points?

 

I think we have some key parts for the rebuild..I like the interior of the OL moving forward, I like the WR core ,I also think we have a Franchise RB in Bell..BUT,,,

as you stated we need a Vertical TE,at least 1 more WR,a LT and RT.That's 4 guys right there now if we go on the other side of the ball we are going to need just as many if not more in the next few seasons...

 

I had a thread a few weeks ago about how do they want to do this. build around and older qb or build towards the future. the rooney's will have to decide what they want to do.

the money is tied up. some of the new players are not good enough. we can argue all day why or why not. the older players left, are another year older and closer to not being here at all.

they have to choose, troy or ben, ben or heath, heath or troy? someone has to go. we can't just assume ike will give back 5-6 mil of his salary in his last payday. I trust ike will adjust his for them though. Woodley or Timmons are out of the short term question right now. colon's mistake is still on the books next year.

 

He'll prolly never put up the #s these fantasy football created fans will be happy with, although when we're losing that's when he's up there in raw yardage, but I could careless as long as we're in the game and we are, every single game.

I notice they want to cite the stats in the losing streak. Fair enough you have to take the good w/ the bad. I'm not a #s guy but Ben ranks up there in passing efficiency what, upper 10 of NFL QBs?

We have Roethlisberger we got a shot. I remember when we didn't
No Sir, I'll hang my hopes w/ Roethlisberger and take my chances. Yinz can go your own way.

 

I could care less about yards, efficiency or fantasy football. I care about points. TD's = points. Points = wins. It's really as simple as that. When Ben starts getting more TD's, then I'll be more than happy with him, but I don't see that happening at this point in his career

 

If you don't consider Ben a threat in getting TDs we'll stop there.

I do!

 

I rarely agree with you because I think you look through rose colored glasses too much, but I think you are on the right track here, but perhaps for a different reason.

The Steelers are not yet in rebuilding mode, because you can't rebuild without resources. They don't have resources (cap), and won't until the contracts of Woodley/Timmons/Ike/Polamalu/Clark/Kiesel and maybe Ben are off the books. When they actually have multiple millions to work with, then they will be in rebuilding mode.

For now, we have to suffer through what we have to work with.

 

This thread has made me exhausted...

 

He has thrown 1.5 TD's per game for his career. He has 0.86 INT's per game. He also has 0.5 fumbles per game. Combined that's almost as many turnovers as TD's for his entire career.

I don't know why people think that's good enough, but it's not. It would be different if we weren't paying him $100 million, then perhaps my expectations would be different, but when people want to compare Ben to the other top QB's in the league and when he's paid like one, then he better damn well perform like one. The reality is that he hasn't and he's not going to suddenly start. Numbers are the only thing that matters at the end of the game and he can't put up enough points consistently. The numbers are there for the world to see, it's not like I'm making this stuff up. He has far too many turnovers and not enough TD's compared to the other top QB's in the league.

 

Yes, the team has a lot of problems. But most teams have some issues. The Steelers would be at least 2-2, right now, if the offense would stop turning the d*mned ball over.

 

You're right. So the obvious answer is to trade Ben for picks and rebuild.

 

Or the players could stop turning it over. Ben had nothing to do with turnovers by Redman, whoever that TE was, or the WRs. Ben needs to stop turning that ball over, though. so far this season he is the worst turnover offender, by far.

Look, I don't think Ben is a great QB such that he can't be replaced or traded. I just don't think now is the time for that. Considering his past success, I'm willing to give him some more time to prove he can make a difference, for the better. For now, I believe there are some very fundamental adjustments that can get the Steelers back to winning football.

 

I choose to stay positive when it comes to the Steelers chances, it makes my life easier. I understand the problems they have, but I choose not to beat them down to the point that it makes being a fan miserable. The team problems are the coaches and owners jobs to deal with, by job is to support the team that I love.
I've had fans of other teams talk trash to me about the Steelers over the years, but I've never heard so much bashing of them as I have from some of the people here. I don't care what they do it's never good enough for some.

 

I would be all in favor for trading Ben for a 1 & 2,Couple that with a top 5 pick (based on how the season is going) and we can rebuild pretty quickly. We could get a younger (less beat up) franchise QB for the future and send Be on his way to win a few couple more championships. I am sure he wouldn't admit it but Ben would probably like this rather than go through a 3-4 year rebuild.

 

Let me throw this out for discussion since it has been asked what teams would give up a one and a two for Ben. What teams out there would Ben be a good fit for? I know a lot of you threw out the names of some teams that are looking for an upgrade at the QB position but most of them aren't teams that fit Ben's style or are in a win now situation where the QB is the last piece of the puzzle. The only two that come to mind is obviously Arizona and the Raiders because of their vertical passing attack. Other than that is is all west coast offense, hybrid spread offense, read option and so forth not really anything catering to Ben's favorite type of offense.

 

Ben to ST. Louis for Bradford and a first.
I don't want that to happen I'm just playing along with the discussion.