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Who would we get to replace Tomlin?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JackAttack 5958, Sep 10, 2013.

  1. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    it's not the latest trend. our offense is inept. did I say one defensive guy and one offensive guy? read before you spout.:cool:
     
  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Every back from peewee knows how to secure the football, I'm sure they are driving it into their head, MT benches them for it and still doesn't get through to them. And most of the Steelers OC's have never held the position before they were hired for OC, Haley has and hows that working out?
     
  3. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    Wait... is Blast Furnace actually Mike Tomlin?
     
  4. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    Whether it's an offensive minded head coach or assistant there's still no correlation between success and failure. So maybe it's time for you to go spout somewhere.
     
  5. SteelHack

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    I have been beating his drum since Boise State......Bryan Harsin

    I would hire him today as assistant OC.....assistand HC/OC.....QB Coach.....water boy...whatever it took to get him in the meeting rooms and in the booth

    HACK
     
  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    you have made my case BF. between the two coaches, we still have not seen it on the field.

    point two, I've never been a todd haley proponent.

    I think bringing in a good offensive proven mind as an assistant head coach would work wonders for MT. someone that can fit the players abilities to an offensive plan.

    haley has his plan and we don't have the players to run it. sure he's been a little more flexible this year, with what ben likes and doesn't like but there is more to it then x's and o's. haley has a system in his mind and believe's it is the way to go, but it doesn't fit well with the players we have at each level of it. a good offensive mind could help todd see our deficiencies and help correct them and find players that work. i'm not sure MT can. he can however help in the defenses adjustments because that's where he came from.

    it's never been tried on this level, but it has on the level of coordinator, but as an assistant head coach it would take half the burden off a young overwhelmed guy and allow this team to rebuild which is what we are doing. let the offensive mind work with his co-o and Colbert and let MT work with his co-o and Colbert and get the right players in here on each side of the ball.

    :cool:
     
  7. rmorphy

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    I would beg Cowher to return or give Chucky a chance. Gruden is good.
     
  8. freakfontana

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  9. RobertoC#21

    RobertoC#21 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how everyone is already on Haley as a lousy coordinator after 17 games. Last Year Ben was having the best year of his career before the injury, I never heard one bad word about Haley during that time. Ben gets hurt, 3/5 of the OL goes down, every running back spent time on the sidelines due to injury and every WR was injured at some point during the year as well. AND not to mention we lose Heath late in the year. I don't know any coordinator that could withstand that amount of injuries to STAR players and still maintain a high quality offense.....NO ONE COULD!!!! Now after 1 game this year everyone is all over him already, give me a break, use your head and quit being fair weather fans and blaming everything but the obvious. Players play, coaches coach, if the players playing are all second and third stringers, no coach will look good. Don't hand me the next man up line of crap either, we all see how 2nd 3rd and 4th stringers are compared to starting talent in the pre-season. One or two men down you can hide, 5 or 6 and its not even close. Give the man a chance and lets see what happens. His offense is solid, just because Ben wants to wing it deep every play doesn't make the OC a bad coach. This is a team sport and if they aren't all buying in to the philosophy, it will never work regardless who the OC is!!
     
  10. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Completely agree^
     
  11. steelers5859

    steelers5859 Well-Known Member

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    I would want an offensive minded coach if Tomlin is let go. I don't think it will happen that Tomlin is fired though. We will go through a couple of coordinators before Tomlin is fired.
     
  12. cory_86

    cory_86 Well-Known Member

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    At best his contract will not extended, chances are I'll be CEO of the company I started working at <12 months ago than before Tomlin gets fired
     
  13. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I agree about Haley, and my only point there with him is that being an experienced OC doesn't mean much, and we don't usually hire guys with experience at the position, at least since the Cowher era anyway. We'll have to agree to disagree about Wilson/Tomlin, can only coach them up so much, eventually its on the players, those guys shouldn't need a coach to tell them how to secure a football anyway.
     
  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Last year Bens improvisation is why they were doing well, how many 3rd and longs did Haleys offense put them in? Then Ben would scamper around running for his life and do his thing to get a first down. Haley will get his chance but he has shown nothing so far. Everyone wants to change Ben, a leopard does't change his spots, I'd rather have Ben for less years doing his thing and winning games then to squeeze a few extra years out of him and have him look like he did on Sunday. Taking away what makes Ben great makes him useless to us.
     
  15. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Agree, except that basically everyone needs someone to blame. Blame the head coach, blame the OC, blame the QB...
     
  16. pjgruden

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    Damn you and your logic!
    ;)
    I still don't care for Tomlin, but after thinking about it a bit more, I'll give him the BOD for a little while longer. It's rather tough coming up with a contingency plan for everything, and losing your probowl center halfway through the first quarter is certainly unexpected. Maybe they'll right the ship and come out more prepared on Monday. I hope.
     
  17. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I don't know, our defense looks pretty good compared to our offense, but you got all the answers.:cool:
     
  18. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    :roflmao:


    I'm kind of worried about Ben, BF. He just doesn't look like the same QB to me. I noticed it in the preseason and just wrote it off, but it continued on Sunday. He seems gun-shy and tentative. It's like he's more pre-occupied with the rush now than he's ever been and he's not keeping his eyes down the field looking to make plays like he once did. He seems slower and not as mobile in the pocket. I'm a little worried about the guy. Maybe his swiss cheese OL has finally taken a toll on him and his confidence. Am I the only one that's noticed this?
     
  19. scruffy

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    Nope, your not alone. It was discussed during preseason, especially after the game where Ben had the "stand-up" QB slide right into a linebacker. :facepalm:
     
  20. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yup, I noticed it but I'm wondering if he's under instructions not to play his style of football. Thats what I meant by trying to change him, I have a hard time believing in one season that suddenly Ben lacks the physical ability to evade the rush, I think he is being told not to play his sandlot style ball. Big mistake if you ask me, he looked terrible on Sunday, like fish out of water. Let him do his thing.
     
  21. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    I think the pathetic performance of his most offensive line year in and year out may be wearing thin on him. It's like it doesn't matter who they put in there, whether it's an undrafted scrub or a high draft pick, they all look like bull fighters with a red cape standing aside as the bull charges through. I think Ben's tired of constantly carrying on the facade that he has confidence in his lineman and is sick and tired of their inadequate performance. They are slowly killing him!
     
  22. 12to88

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  23. thesteeldeal

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    The frustrating part is you can't put your finger on it. If it was just one OLineman getting beat you could do something about it,but it's not. It's a total OL breakdown no one seems to know what they or the guy next to them are supposed to be doing. They are playing like individuals and not as a unit.

    i have a hard time believing that if there just was a better play called everything would work out. There should be nothing simpler than a running play and we can't even block that. Everyone saying that Haley is holding Ben back and if he just let him do his thing everything would be OK. I don't think that when the pocket collapses Ben is saying to himself I could make a play here if I wanted but I can't because I'm not supposed to ad-lib.

    I think that his play making abilities are not what they used to be he's older,alot more beat-up. He used to be able to use his legs to get out of trouble but he's not so fleet of foot anymore. Haley was brought in to try to make the O more efficient and keep Ben safe. It's kind of a catch 22 you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. No one can scheme and gameplan a effective O when there is a fundamental breakdown along the entire O line. If we could somehow figure out why our line is so bad we could start to make some progress. We need our O line to be at least competent in order for anything to work no matter what play is called. Until then expect more of the same frustration.
     
  24. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Don't kid yourself, Bens a 100 million dollar investment. Peyton takes sacks all the time over scrambling, live to fight another day. Ben wasn't even trying to scramble, he looked way off to me. He's either under instructions not to play sandlot or he is hurt but I don't believe for one second he just suddenly lost his gift to evade the pass rush from 1 season ago.
     
  25. scruffy

    scruffy Well-Known Member

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    Not a bad option, since we're likely stuck with Tomlin & Colbert till 2016. :facepalm:
     

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