DISCIPLINE! Is it our biggest problem?

no matter what, it's based on all the parts working as one. DB's vs pressure is only part of it.

it can be broken down to OLB'ers making DE's look better and visa versa. NT collapsing the middle taking pressure off the DE's. the DE's taking pressure off the OLB'ers. the ILB'ers not having to cover near as much because the safeties are helping the cb's. the safeties helping the ILB'ers with coverage. the corners covering better to free up the safeties to do this. then back to all these things freeing up the cb's to cover better.

that's why they always talk about the discipline of this defense and why young guys don't play early because they don't know there assignments. one guy out of place hurts 10 others. add troy doing his thing and it makes it that much harder on everyone else if he guesses wrong. most of the time he doesn't if he's healthy.

 

I was referring to turnovers by our offense, so our ball security isn't good which is discipline in my opinion. Yes we need to create more turnovers also, which is why Jarvis Jones should be starting over Woirlds. Another bad decision by Tomlin. The guy was involved in 3 turnovers in 3 preseason games. He has made his college career creating turnover and clearly outplayed Woirlds in the preseason, but yet they can't pull the trigger to start him.

Under Tomlin our team has relied on familiarity over what is best. Tomlin is comfortable with Redman and Woirlds, so he gives them the start regardless of who has shown more. We pick up free agents that were with other teams but drafted by us, instead of getting a player who might be better overall and help our team more in the long run. Tomlin doesn't trust his coaching ability or his staff to teach the systems and coach people up and he doesn't trust his judgment of talent or his pro scouts to do their job. This is another big flaw of his.

 

We'll see, though I wouldn't be surprised if Jones is starting before the season is through.

I'm not sure the argument holds about familiarity, though I can see it to an extent (MeMo, for example; Spaeth etc.). But Worild's and Redman are not particularly familiar as starters. The time it takes to get rookies on the field has been an issue with this team for years and years, well before Tomlin.

 

I'm not sure of that. Under Cowher, Casey Hampton, kendrell bell, Heath Miller, Plaxico, Kendall Simmons, Marvel Smith, and Ben all started the majority of their rookie years and that is only going back on Cowher's last 7 seasons (as long as Tomlin has been coach). Under Tomlin, just Pouncey has started the majority of his his rookie year. Now I expect Jones to join him at some point, but this is a weird trend under Tomlin.

My point on familiarity is that the majority of free agents or trades made have brought in during the Tomlin Era have been player originally drafted by the Steelers (ex. Spaeth, Foote, Gay, Bryant McFadden, Randel el, ect...). Tomlin has not had a significant Free agent signed during his tenure as coach either. Mewelde Moore may have been his biggest signing that wasn't drafted by the Steelers. Cowher had many...Clark, Bettis, Hartings, Farrior, Cedrick Wilson ect... All key contributors in Super Bowl wins.

When looking at this something is not right...

 

Aye, though Ben started only because of injury. I have a feeling it was the same with Hampton?

I suppose my point is that the complaints about rookies not starting and not making big FA signings have been around for as long as I was reading the old MB. So I find it odd to level that at Tomlin specifically.

 

And you could add Moyer the young tall receiver to the list, that probably should be playing more. I'll bet that he won't play much if any this week, even though he led the team in receptions in the preseason and graded out very well. I know it was against second teams but from what we seen in the past, MT will not play him and again doesn't trust him yet or his own judgment of talent.

 

To be fair, leading the team in preseason receptions doesn't mean an awful lot in comparison to how long the starters were on the field for.

 

Notice the first sentence of this article and tell me if you agree with it. I thought of this thread when I read that first sentence. It's weird how people outside of our circle see things MUCH differently than most of us do.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...lin-cuts-released-steelers-off-twitter-roster

 

And what is he going to do if he doesn't approve of what they write on twitter? Unleash Hell? LOL! We all say how that worked.

 

Yeah I don't necessarily view him in that manner either. I think the reason I don't view him this way is just because you don't really ever see it. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen I suppose but it's just that I think it's hard for us to have that perception since we don't actually see it.

 

Yea, all I hear is his harsh comments about things and his sharp quotes, but all I see I consistent sloppy/undisciplined play on the field. Penalties, turnovers, bone head mistakes, so its hard to take him serious when he says something.

I think the national fans and media don't pay as much attention to the Steelers and Tomlin as most of us do and its starting to wear at a lot of Steelers fans. The sad thing is we have talent. I really hope they can cut down on the penalties and turnovers and at least not beat ourselves all season long.

Here is a funny one that sticks out from last season...When referring to Ryan Mundy "We feel as if we have 3 starting safeties and Ryan is a very capable starter in this league" Three weeks later after bonehead mistake after bonehead mistake Mundy is replaced by Will Allen in his packages and is not offered a contract at the end of the season as a free agent.

Now why would he even say that? He had to know that Mundy was not very good, maybe not. At least I knew he wasn't a very good safety. I would say the Denver playoff game the season before proved that. We know that either his player evaluation is way off or he is just talking to talk, maybe both. Who knows.

 

Didn't Tomlin just sign a multi year contract?

 

until 2016 I believe.

 

I missed that. The Ravens just re-upped Hairball until 2016. Are we sure the Steelers renewed/extended Tomlin?

 

he was extended last year I believe. 2016, i'm not sure if he's signed for that year or it's the teams option. I just read that somewhere jack, but for the life of me I don't know where now.

 

You're not just making stuff up again are you, mac?

Just messin' with you, friend. You're actually right. Just looked it up.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8195726/pittsburgh-steelers-extend-mike-tomlin-contract-2016

 

True but they come at the worst time. When you get flagged after a score or even a first down that a drive killer. Also ST's flags put us in bad field position.

 

I was wr, wro, wron.................................. I was fed bad information. LOL

 

Halftime... I wonder how Tomlin looks now after starting Redman and keeping him in the game after the first fumble? Also, playing Woirlds over Jones? Jones is in for 3 plays and make one awesome one and Woirlds is getting not pressure and pushed all over the field in run support. I think its pretty apparent his player evaluation skills is very poor. He goes with what is familiar to him as a result.

 

The first fumble was on Ben. It was an awful hand off that never stood a chance with Redman being the up back.