TJ Watt

LoL. No it on you to look it up. If You have already forgotten people saying that, that's on you. How is it on me because your memory is short?? If you deny what I say then it's on you to prove me wrong, because I don't care either way, I know what was said, and I didn't say one time that everyone said it. Also in the last two years , as I already said Watt has more sacks, and turnovers. Why must you change what people say just to argue.

 

It's not crap that he has degenerative knee problems. Geez are You that bored

 

Look at the post I quoted. You simply wrote that Crosby had fewer sacks. You didn't specify a time frame, so no, I did not change what you said.

Also, why a two-year time frame? Because you want to get around Crosby getting more sacks than Watt last season, which is more relevant given that the idea is to evaluate who they are now, not what they were in the past.

I see you are also skipping right past the age difference. This is when you should acknowledge that they are not almost the same age. Watt two years and 10 months older than Crosby.

 

Me and Scribe were talking about 2025... not the entire career of Watt vs Crosby.

Watt naturally has the edge so far because he's played longer.

 

I am a little bored, but the Ravens' claim that they backed out of the deal due to his medicals when they already knew about his knee when they signed him was utter crap.

 

LoL. Why don't you read the multiple post I said last two years. You did, but you are now scrambling for a stupid out, out of this stupid argument.
Watt has more sacks in his last two years.
Watt has more turnovers in the last two years.
Watt doesn't have degenerative knee issues. Crosby does. Period. If You think a guy that has degenerative knee issues, that we haven't even seen come of his newest surgery, that has less sacks, and less turnovers in the last two years is better, well that's a You thing, and Im glad You aren't in control here.

 

Watt was also the better player before his skills began to decline over the last couple of seasons.

 

I said last two years. You can't compare their whole career because Watt then blows him away. Don't act dumb just to argue.
I'll tell You and mister I love to argue @Formerscribe what. Let's make a bet of real money who has a better season this year.

 

Raiders offense may do well with Mendoza at QB. Good offense always makes a defense better, by keeping the D fresh... and Crosby could take advantage of not being on the field all the damn time like he was with Smith, Garrapolo, Carr, etc. Steelers are still a huge question mark even with Rodgers returning. Wouldn't surprise me if Raiders ended up with a better record than Steelers.

 

I didn't say a better record, I said Crosby vs Watt.

 

And I'm saying Crosby could have more sacks, tackles, assists, INTs... etc, than Watt.

Given Watt's recent track record... he could miss several or many games.

 

Mendoza probably won't start the whole season since the Raiders signed Kirk Cousins.

 

Then make the bet.

 

Nice job shifting the discussion.

 

What's the bet???? Can I get in on the action??????

 

Who will have a better year. Watt, or Crosby

 

oh. Well I'll take Watt at this point. Although I do like the intensity that Crosby plays with. his knees would worry me at this point. I just like watching him play

 

Crap

I thought you betting who will have a better year Heinz and Scribe

 

Wait, I thought the Steelers were the only team that drafted busts:

Cowboys VP Reflects on Drafting a First-Round Bust Over T.J. Watt

Jul 26, 2026 | 6:52 AM EDT

The Dallas Cowboys have made plenty of front-office decisions fans still bring up years later, and the 2017 draft class remains one of them. Taco Charlton, whom the Cowboys picked over T.J. Watt that year, is widely regarded as one of Dallas’ biggest draft busts. Team Executive VP of Player Personnel Will McClay opened up on that move.

“We drafted them because I put a grade on those guys at that level, as well as the rest of us who, you know, went through our process, and they were there at that value. There are guys that you like certain things, but there’s also fit,” Cowboys Executive Vice President of Player Personnel Will McClay said on Doin’ Alright. “If you’re playing a defense where you require somebody to play on the outside edge of the tackle all the time, as opposed to with width, does that diminish his ability? So, those are all things that we go through as well.”

“The one thing I remember about TJ Watt is, I remember going, ‘This dude is so stiff, and he plays so hard. And so you look at measurements. So I remember the three-cone and the short shuttle, and his times were amazing. I can’t remember the times off the top of my head, but I didn’t ever think that he could do that because of the stiffness, but he achieved those times. That’s the same way he achieves those sacks. So, that’s a learning experience as well.”

With the 28th pick in the 2017 draft, the Cowboys went with Taco Charlton out of Michigan, passing on T.J. Watt in the process. Charlton didn’t stick around long. Two seasons, 46 tackles, four sacks, one forced fumble, and then Dallas cut ties with him, making his run one of the shortest for any Cowboys first-rounder in team history.

When Charlton was drafted, the word was that it wasn’t McClay pushing for Charlton so much as the coaching staff, especially defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli. However, McClay said that the decision came down to the film they had seen.

“I think T.J. Watt’s deal was we felt like he could potentially play defensive end for us, but it was a projection,” he said on The Fan. “It was a projection of a guy that had converted from tight end, now he’s going to try to play defensive end in this scheme, and probably a better fit as a 3-4 outside linebacker because they do different jobs than 4-3 defensive ends.

“But when you put all those things together, and you’re making a first-round pick, you want to go for the guy that has done it.”

On the day of the draft, there were three pass rushers available to Dallas: Watt, Charlton, and Takkarist McKinley. All three had visited the Cowboys as part of their Top-30. But when the Cowboys were put on the clock, they went with Charlton. Watt was selected by the Steelers two picks later.

According to insider Ed Werder, when Watt got a phone call during the draft when the Cowboys were on the clock, one of his family members put a Dallas cap on his head.

Today, Watt is one of the best defensive ends in the league and is an anchor for the Pittsburgh defense. Charlton is now in the UFL, after having featured on seven rosters following his Cowboys stint. While in Dallas, the defensive end was able to record only four sacks, 46 total tackles, 11 quarterback hits, and two passes defended.

In 2022, Jerry Jones himself joked that the Charlton pick was actually Stephen’s, while Micah Parsons was all him. But Charlton wasn’t going to let that one slide, and fired back on social media with a meme of a guy wiping away tears with cash, followed by a sarcastic dig clearly aimed at Jones.

Even though they had their reasons for picking Charlton, the decision continues to pinch the franchise.

Cowboys owner regrets passing on T.J. Watt
Does Jerry Jones actually regret letting Watt go? When asked in a 2020 interview with 105.3 The Fan, he didn’t hold back.

“Absolutely,” Jones said when asked if he looks back with any remorse. “You always do that if you’re truthful and you’re honest about what might or could have been.”

Watt’s career with the Pittsburgh Steelers has been stellar. He played at least 15 games in each of his first five seasons before injuries cut his 2022 season to 10 games. His 2021 season alone was historic, posting a single-season sack record of 22.5, a mark that was later broken by Myles Garrett in 2025. He also became just the second-fastest player to get to 100 career sacks.

Jones didn’t shy away from admitting the what-ifs either.

“Obviously, if you had that to do all over again, I wish we would have [selected Watt],” he said. “And of course, he would fit in probably better in some of the things we’re trying to do now with [Mike] Nolan and our defense. So, you know, he’s obviously a great player. He’s already on his way to a great career, not unlike his brother, and I congratulate the Steelers for getting him.”

Watt won Defensive Player of the Year in 2021, received four first-team All-Pro selections between 2019 and 2023, and has played in eight Pro Bowls so far. Charlton won no such honors in his NFL career.

Add in Watt’s two seasons leading the league in forced fumbles and a spot on the 2017 All-Rookie Team, and it’s easy to see why Dallas still thinks about what could have been.

 

Why didn't they just coach him up, or develop him, or is that only here??
For the Steelers a player isn't good because he was coach badly, for everyone else its because it was a bad pick.