Sorsby to enter supplemental draft

What did the judge say

 

The judge's ruling
Curry held a two-hour hearing last week in the 99th District Court in Lubbock County, where Texas Tech is located. In his decision, he wrote that he agreed Sorsby would suffer “a probable, imminent and irreparable injury” if he cannot practice or play for the Red Raiders

 

One thing that really doesn't sit well with me is when athletes feel the need to act like children after not getting their way. If you want to use lawyers to achieve your ends, so be it. But going down that victim road is something I would never do or allow my representation to do.

And the judge entertaining that bugs me too. The world is not made better by allowing that type of BS. But hey, maybe I'm just an old bastard who's gonna step down off that soap box now.

 

Again. Can this kid be trusted, and will the other guys on the team feel that no matter what He has no ulterior motives other than winning every game.

 

Again, I am going to point out that Sorsby has never bet on a game that he played in.

As an 18-year-old Red-Shirt freshman Sorsby bet on his own team and school. Not sure how much a Red-Shirt freshman watching the game can change the outcome.

 

Stay up there

if there is room, I will come join you

 

Even if the gambling part doesn't take him completely off our board, it doesn't really make sense for us IMO.

Since we're in the "last in line" bucket (playoff teams), we'd have to outbid teams like the Jets and CLE (who are in a lower bucket and have more draft capital than we do).

And you can only really have so many lottery tickets at QB on the team at once.

So getting Sorsby for the Steelers probably means a 2nd (maybe a 3rd) for next year and giving up up on one of Howard or Allar.

For a guy who is basically Allar last year with a gambling addiction and maybe other mental health issues too.

If Rodgers didn't come back and we had an owner with an appetite for a rebuild, then I could see us going into a season with Howard, Allar and Sorsby. Likely a terrible year. Then a high pick...which we'd probably want to use to get a chance at a franchise QB and keep the lottery ticket guy who looks like the best career backup.

Ultimately, we already have 2x Sorsby's on the team now (without the gambling addiction). You can't really carry 3x of these guys on the team.

The only way I see us making a serious bid for Sorsby is if we know he's suspended for the year by the NFL. Then he doesn't take up a roster spot until next year. And some middling pick might land him.

If that's not known by teams before the supplemental draft, I'd expect that we put in a 6th or 7th round bid. And someone else takes him with a 3rd or a 4th. Hillariously, probably CLE. So they have 5 QBs on the roster. Then if we want another lottery ticket (which we can't roster without cutting one of our current lottery tickets), just pick up whichever guy they cut between Sanders or Gabriel.

Edited to add: I think the Jets get him. They won 3 games last year, so they are in the bucket that's first in line. They already have 3 1st round picks. So burning a 3rd on this won't really cost them that much. Even a 2nd if they want to be sure to get him.

 

Sorsby has never bet on a game that he played in...........that we know of.

Any person with a gambling problem may have done things that jeopardize the integrity of the game. Do you really think they know every bet that Sorsby ever made?

Just knowing that there is a chance that a player is capable of that and may have already done that casts doubt on where his loyalties are. Almost all players are trying to do whatever they can to win. Every once in awhile, there can be a player that is trying to do everything they can to win a bet.

That undermines everything that sports is built on. Real competition. Giving your all to try to win the game at all costs. Fans placing bets and believing that it isn't a staged show with the outcome of a game and the outcome of a bet already decided. It's like pulling that last key support piece while playing Jenga. If that is lost, the whole thing comes falling down.

 

Irrelevant to the rule

 

But he most certainly would have “inside information”

Still a rule violation

 

A few good QBs came out of the sup

Perhaps he bet on his team to win games? This would tell me he was confident in his team and his abilities as a QB. Both things are good.

 

Both good

Both a rules violation none the less

 

Those are good things, but that doesn't make it acceptable for him to break the rules. Also, what if he didn't bet on his team every time? What if he didn't bet at all on some games? This is why it is irrelevant if Pete Rose ever bet against the Reds or not. He bet on some games and not others. He bet much more in some games than others. That compromised his integrity as a manager, as he might be more willing to blow out his bullpen on a day when he had $10,000 on a game, then not bet the next day because his guys had nothing left. Sorsby's situation isn't the same because he wasn't in a position to affect the games when he wasn't playing, but it does tip off bookies, allowing inside information about his team to get out of the locker room. That is a big problem.

I had to look up guys taken in the supplemental draft. Bernie Kosar was probably the best of them.

 

But, a fact. Never bet on a single game he played in, or was even a part of.


I really do feel sorry for all you people standing on your pedestals condemning someone for their childish behavior when they were still just a teenager. If you don't have at least 2 or 3 stories from your teenage years that end with "We should all be dead", or We should all be in jail right now"; you didn't do your teenager years right.

 

Maybe? I just don't think it matters. It is against the rules. The rules are talked about and well known to college players. The fact that he did it anyway shows there's a problem.

I wish the kid well and hope he gets things together, but these situations are often like icebergs. What is being reported is only the tip of the iceberg, and much more is unknown than known.

How is anyone going to get proof if a degenerate gambler is making deals under the table with organized crime? Nobody in that universe is going to open up and report anything. There is simply no way to know everything, so you have to doubt everything.

As I said, I hope the kid never bet against his own team and simply made a series of huge mistakes because he is addicted to gambling and nothing more nefarious than that.

 

You are correct

And then I suffered the penalties for those mistakes

I was raised to take responsibility for my actions

And that pedestal is BS I and most others don’t think rules apply to some people

 

Ok can we agree it is an irrelevant fact

Not bearing repeating

 

First, I will be curious to see who the Steelers send to Sorsby's "Pro-Day"
1) Nobody
2) An Area Scout
3) Dan Rooney (The Scouting one)
4) Tom Arth
5) Mike McCarthy



Second and something I am really interested in; does anyone know if the NFL is required to release the list off all teams putting in a sealed bid for the Supplemental draft. I would assume this would be for "Transparency" issues.

The Steelers bid, or lack thereof should give us a real feel on how Mike McCarthy values Mike Tomlin's 2025 6th round pick Will Howard. If, the Steelers put in a 2nd or 3rd, I would say Howard is standing on shaky ground, and Mason Rudolph chances of making the 53-man roster just increased.

 

The only brain cell I have functioning regarding this is from many years ago after a supplement draft

I remember reading “The Steelers did not submit a bid”

So apparently something is released but at the time it was not excessively news worthy

 

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gambling-disorder/what-is-gambling-disorder

Do everyone a favor and try educating yourself before posting. Gambling is not just some childish mistake and gambling addiction is a serious thing.

 

We are talking about Sorsby betting on his team as a redshirt freshman that never played in a single game. I am not taking on the whole idea of people getting a pass on gambling because it is an addiction.

I knew you would be one of those people who never did a single thing wrong in their teenage years.

Fine, name me another red-shirt freshman that was suspended by the NCAA for gambling? Sorsby was just being young & dumb; I give a pass to Sorsby because he grew up and never bet on his team when he was actually given a helmet to start playing college football.



Reminds me of a time I got pulled over for doing 63 approaching a 45. I was like what? The officer said if he had not turned his lights on I would have been speeding. Not my first time driving this road, and I knew exactly where the 45 zone started.

 

Not.going.to.happen

 

First of all, you have no idea what he has or hasn't done in his life. He was caught betting on games. That opens up an overflowing river full of questions because that is only what they KNOW he bet on.

Second, if he was a "red-shirt freshman". By definition, that is a players second year in college. If he was allowed to red-shirt his first year with the team, that means he was in his second year in the system. He had been hearing for two years that betting on games isn't allowed. If he was a true freshman when he did it, he hadn't played enough football to burn a year of eligibility in his first season with the school.

Third, he placed bets totaling roughly $90,000 over 4 years. That's $90,000. I'll say that again...... He placed bets totaling 90 grand....90 thousand dollars......poor kid. Some of them on his own team. And again, those are only the bets they KNOW about.

If a young man has access to blow up to $90,000 on just the bets we know about, there is a good chance that he was also dealing on the side with shady people that he ran up gambling debts with. It's a common story and a common road that many people go down. The difference is that he can pay off his large debts to those shady people if he gets involved in fixing games. That scenario has to be on the table. It doesn't matter if they can't prove it. Common sense tells anyone that a situation like that is something that can and has happened to athletes with gambling addictions. It is something that will always be on the table with Sorsby.

We know some of what Sorsby did, but we don't know everything he did. Any team that signs him has to understand that there may be more that comes out about him, and a gambling addiction doesn't go away because a person starts making more money. The gambler just ups the amount of money they gamble to get the rush. It is a vicious cycle that many are never able to escape.

https://texasstandard.org/stories/brendan-sorsby-texas-tech-gambling-betting-scandal/

Again, I hope he turns his life around and I wish him all the personal success in the world, but he needs to pay for the mistakes that he has made. Getting drafted immediately and potentially being handed millions of dollars isn't exactly paying his dues for his transgressions.

 

Most players red-shirt their freshman year. Not sure why you are claiming this would have been his 2nd year in college. The 2nd year he was in college he was playing in the games and was no longer a redshirt sitting in the stands.

I don't think you know how online gambling works. You don't need to have $90K in your account to bet a total of $90k over a 4 year period.

I guess you could be right, maybe there are more accounts he hasn't turned over to the NCAA and the 90K, may only be the tip of the iceberg.

I don't believe that the NCAA held back proof of Sorsby betting on games he actually played in. I think if the NCAA had that PROOF, they would have presented it to the judge and also probably to the Police.

 

You are the one that claimed he was a red-shirt freshman when he bet on games. If a player is a red-shirt freshman, he is in his second season with the team.

If he bet when he was a true freshman, that's his first year at the school, but he wasn't in enough team activities to lose eligibility and he is allowed to apply for red-shirt status. That's what a redshirt is. His first season didn't count against his eligibility when he was a true freshman.

When a player arrives his first year at a college and participates in team activities, that is considered his true freshman year.
If a player red-shirts his true freshman season, then he is a red-shirt freshman in his second year with the team.
If a player red-shirts his true freshman season, then he is a red-shirt sophomore in his third year with the team.
If a player red-shirts his true freshman season, then he is a red-shirt junior in his fourth year with the team.
If a player red-shirts his true freshman season, then he is a red-shirt senior in his fifth year with the team, or a fifth-year senior.

Do you understand now?

I know exactly how online gambling works. I don't gamble online, but I understand how it works.

I didn't say he had $90,000 in his account. I said his bets totaled $90,000. For the love of God, you can't even get that part right.

Did you even read the article I linked? It explains everything and it is a credible source.

You are claiming that I don't know what I'm talking about, but it is you that is taking facts that I am providing and either purposefully or incorrectly reading and interpreting those facts.