What are your expectations this year for the Steelers defense?

This is not a problem for Dotson with the rams....Coaching matter

 

The rams did not make the playoffs in the previous 12 years before the McVay era too!

 

Not particularly

 

But yet... Tomlin is a shoe-in for the HOF winning big games 16+ years ago with Cowher's players, while McVay still has work to do.

IMO, Tomlin is not a HOF-caliber coach. He doesn't deserve to get in based on his post season performance after 2010.

 

Actually no not in the case of Dotson

It was a change in blocking scheme

 

Because you know I'm right.

 

Do people think he's a shoe in?

He probably gets in eventually (though I wouldn't put him in). But he should have to wait. Probably a decade at least.

Cowher (who has basically the same resume) had to wait 13 years (although I guess only 8 years of eligibility?). And he really only got in because of the Centennial Class (and probably because Fox was getting Johnson and CBS pays the NFL's bills too).

I think Cowher (and Tomlin) were both good coaches. But I don't think either should be in the hall.

Vermeil either.

Here's a list of HoF coaches and when they were indicted (at least I'm pretty sure that's what they date was in the list I found). Only 5 on 1st ballot (I can't imagine anyone believes Tomlin should go in on the first year of eligibility). Bill B should have been 1st ballot (even though he was a cheater). And Reid should go on the first ballot after the success with Mahomes in KC.

• George Halas 1963
• Earl Lambeau 1963
• Jimmy Conzelman 1964
• Guy Chamberlain 1965
• Steve Owen 1966
• Paul Brown 1967
• Earle Neale 1969
• Vince Lombardi 1971
• Ray Flaherty 1976
• Weeb Ewbank 1978
• Sid Gillman 1983
• Tom Landry 1990
• Chuck Noll 1993
• Bill Walsh 1993
• Bud Grant 1994
• Joe Gibbs 1996
• Don Shula 1997
• Marv Levy 2001
• George Allen 2002
• Hank Stram 2003
• Fritz Pollard 2005
• John Madden 2006
• Bill Parcells 2013
• Tony Dungy 2016
• Bill Cowher 2020
• Jimmy Johnson 2020
• Tom Flores 2021
• Dick Vermeil 2022
• Don Coryell 2023

 

Fair enough... but if you're gonna say Vermeil and Cowher don't deserve it... neither does Dungy.

Cowher and Dungy built Super Bowl teams that won after their tenures at HC... so there's a good argument for their HOF elibility. Dungy built the Bucs team that won the SB in 2002 season. Cowher built the Steelers team that won in '08 and appeared in '10. Vermeil appeared in 2 SBs ('80 Eagles, '99 Rams)... winning one.

 

Vermeil also built the greatest show on turf with the rams.He was the GM of that team when he was their head coach.I believe the rams would win the super bowl in 2001 if he would stay even with the spygate by the Pats.Mike Martz was dumb like crazy to not gave the ball to Marshall Faulk enough in super bowl 36