Who are the Steelers most under/overrated players of all-time?

William Shakespeare, 1936 1st round pick.

His play was both a comedy and a tragedy.

 

True. But my reply was based on the comment "Superbowl winning QBs" and Moss had nothing to do with Brady being a SB winning QB. If he said "All Pro QBs" or "QBs with long win streaks, " it would be a relevant point.

 

the point is Brady had plenty of elite wr help in the super bowls

 

I KNOW that is your point.
My point is that your point is not relevant to THIS discussion.

Comtext my friend.

Discussion of Moss is in this discussion of overated Steelers. It was suggested that Terry's success was because he two HOFers circus catches helped Terry win SBs. Contention that "other QBs SB success" were similar using receivers that are nowhere near Swann and Stallworth and ONE elite receiver who did not help Brady win a SB is a flawed argument

In a discussion of Bradshaw who not only benefited from TWO gold jacket wide receivers but SO MANY GOLD JACKETS ON HIS TEAM that they could start a gold jacket store, to Brady who WON EVERY ONE OF HIS SBs with ZERO HOF receivers and ONE great tight end as though he had anything close to the help Terry had is ludicrous.

Gronk is a great tight end but the original point this was responding to is the thought that Terry's receivers ROUTINELY had to make.circus catches. That literally IS THE ONLY REASON Swann is in the HOF. Sure aint his numbers.

Gronk did not routinely save Brady from errant passes like our receivers did.

To FURTHER make my point, Brady had THREE RINGS BEFORE Gronk ever showed up. ZERO ELITE TARGETS

Terry?
Only 9 seasons of his career included BOTH OF TWO HOF receivers. His ONLY playoff win without both was won when he accurately targeted JACK TATUMS HELMET and with the skill of an elite pool player angled it perfectly into the hands of Franco Harris. GREAT PASS TERRY.

That is his ONE playoff win without two HOF receivers.

John Stallworth played longer than Swann. His lone playoff win without Swann was the year Terry retired.
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So in the context of THIS discussion bringing up Moss is silly.

To compare Terry in how closely Terry's success was assisted by great receivers to Brady because Randy Moss ALMOST helped SEVEN WIN TOM Brady win AN 8th ring is ridiculous.

 

Tell me good sir, where can I get such a magic box though which I might gaze upon the exploits of Steelers fron a bygone era.

 

My real reply.
I think the challenge with not actually being around and relying on video is that there is far less of that from the 70s save for post season games.

Issue with highlights are that they ARE highlights. You see players at their best.making picks or fierce tackles

Who around here who did not live through the 70s has any sense of who got toasted more between Blount and Woodson?

This is extremely the case with Terry. His big arm and clutch playoff play is why he was great. But young folks have NO IDEA how BAD Terry was.early on AND even how many dumb throws he made even in his.prime. Dude threw it up for grabs with extreme frequency.

You dont see how many yards of Franco was 4 yards through GAPING holes.How easily he was tackled.

How many probowl seasons Mean Joe had when he was WELL PAST HIS PRIME based on reputation alone.

You dont see that on highlights.

 

To my point, during Bradshaws two best seasons by far, 78 and 79 he totaled FORTY FIVE picks.

Before we talk "era" no other QB threw that many total picks in those seasons.

I guarantee that NOBODY would know that watching Bradshaw highlights of that era.

He was GREAT in clutch moments. Insanely talented. But he was FRUSTRATING as all get at times.

Nevermind his elite receivers. Were it not for elite defense covering up for his mistakes, we don't win championships.

100 percent of the difference between Terry's MVP SB versus Dallas and Ben being vilified for losing to Jax in 2017 is that the SB defense did not fold.in the 70s. They had EXACTLY the same early errors. Bens comeback performance was FAR SUPERIOR.

 

ill get more into this but the notion that Terrys WR’s had to routinely make circus catches is simply not true. Terry was very accurate, some of those high passes had to be thrown like that for the receiver to have a chance at the ball. And dont allude to Brady being some kind of god. He isnt, he benefited from the Qb protection rule and contact rules of the receivers. If he played in Terry’s era hed be Ken O’Brien.

 

You make my last point. That absolutely is the opinion of someone who is too young to have seen Terry play. That is a highlight opinion. Terry had many strengths. Consistent accuracy was not one of them.

You've seen incredibly accurate throws yes like Stallworths catches in the Rams SB.

Do you have any idea how many ERRANT throws he had?

In the SB era there is but ONE QB with 3 consecutive 20 pick seasons. Name? Terry Bradshaw. Happened at his absolute peak. Look it up.

Does not happen by being consistently accurate. That happen when you routinely throw up prayers. You win when receivers routinely answer them

 

You do know Mel got 22 ints in the 6 years after the rule was changed, and he was getting old by then, and didn't have to switch to safety to keep playing like Woodson.

 

I'm sorry everyone. Mel Blount was the man who made me a actual football fan. I would have been a Steeler or a Bears fan anyway because of family, but he made me a fan of Football, and especially Defense.

 

Underrated: Mike Wagner

Overrated: Loren Toews