Mini camp is upon us.

i'd hope they would try.

 

Neither of us has any idea what Tomlin's coaching is like in practices. Because they are closed to the public.

Based on what we know from his players and what we see at places like the senior bowl, it sounds like he is has way more interactions with players than most NFL head coaches. It sounds like most head coaches have virtually no contact with players. They talk to the people below them on the org chart.

I do not think Tomlin is a great coach. I think he's the same as Cowher. A very good coach. But not great. I think there are a very, very small number of great coaches. I'd probably argue that Bill B is the only great coach of this generation. And even then...how much of his success was falling ass backward into the greatest QB of all time?

Tomlin was never the best coach in the league when he was coaching.

He's not deserving of the Hall of Fame. Even though if I had to bet, I would bet that Tomlin gets in. Just like Cowher did. I don't think either should be there though.

If you read the comment I made above, you'd see that I was being critical of Tomlin's ability to game plan and call a defense. So your argument calling him out for being bad at the thing he was actually good at didn't make sense to me. Which is why I said I thought you were being blinded by your reflexive hatred for Tomlin.

 

What is the source for claims in the first paragraph?

 

It's clearly subjective.

I really respect Cowher and what he did for the team. I also agree that being a successful coach is mostly about having a good to great QB. Which is why I think we had so many heart breaking playoff losses under Cowher (and I don't blame him for it). I am glad for him that he got it done in the end. I think he "deserved" to win a SB.

But I think the bar for non-players should be very high. Clearly whoever runs the HoF doesn't feel this way because Joe Buck is in the Hall. Which IMO reduces the value of it to pretty close to zero.

I think the only reasons Cowher got in were because there was a special class and because Jimmy Johnson got in for Fox and CBS wanted to have one of their guys get in too.

 

I see a set of goal posts moving

 

Yes, we’ve seen plenty of his coaching in camp. You can count on one hand the times he’s actually talking to the players on the field. We all agree that Mike Tomlin was not a great coach. He was fortunate to inherit a franchise QB for many years plus elite assistants. When those pieces left, so did our playoff wins.

I don’t think he’s even in the same conversation as Bill Cowher — no way. Cowher won playoff games with Tommy Maddox, Kordell Stewart, and Neil O’Donnell at quarterback. He went 4-2 with a young, pre-prime Ben Roethlisberger and finished his career with a solid 12-9 playoff record. Tomlin is 8-12 in the playoffs. He could not win half of his playoff games with Ben. Now, do those records even sound close to you?

It seems like our details are different. There is a lot that goes into being a top coach. Gameplans, x' and o's, strategy, use of timeouts / game management, halftime adjustments... Tomlin is average relative to his peers, no below average in some categories!

You dismiss me as a hater. Buddy, I am an EOE type of guy. You strike me as an a Tomlin fan who excuses his flaws.

 

Have to be very careful reading into minicamp... proceeds to read into minicamp...

 

It was a different game back then I doubt there would be many playoff wins with the likes of Maddox, Stewart, or O'Donnell in today's NFL.

 

It's rookie camp.
There's not a lot to read into it. It's basically first day on campus and figuring out where to be when and then going through some motions.
But I did like the pressure put on Allar. I didn't take much from it other than he does have all the measurables.